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Nicodemus was not the only pharisee saved.. Many of them turned..
But thats nt the point. The pharisee was the religious leader in Israel. Thats why jesus called them out.
Jesus ate with sinners..
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How should we respond to the shooting at the H/S shooting in Colorado?
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But thats nt the point. The pharisee was the religious leader in Israel. Thats why jesus called them out.
Jesus ate with sinners..
Buy more firearms and join a militia
How about queer? Any objection to that?
I was laughed at royally in the 4th grade for using the word as intended. Had no idea that 'queer' was now a derogatory word.
It’s not to me, rather a descriptive/defining word.
If Jesus ate with anyone, He ate with sinners.
I just call them sinners who have not yet been reconciled with God. Many are more trustworthy than your next door neighbor, but they, like your neighbor are sinners in need of Christ.
The hatred I read here on the BB is quite disappointing as Jesus never expresses the vitriol I find here when discussing sexuality.
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Our culture's definition of "vitriol" is often God's love. Try to force your sin onto my children, as the gays are wont to do nowadays, and my love for my children will probably look like vitriol to you.
Fortunately it's clearly fatherly love as defined by the Bible.
God defines gay activity as an abomination. A word reserved for few practices in the Bible.
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DaveXR650
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You are right. Although I don't think I would have one of them baby sit. We do need to make sure that in our desire to signal how loving we are we overlook what they themselves are saying and doing. Sometimes I think the world of Big Eva shows more animosity to scared, powerless parents that show up at a school board meeting and get carried away emotionally than they do toward those who officially state that they are going to destroy this society.
There is not a lot of discussion of sexuality in the Bible by Jesus except that it's not a stretch to suggest that someone who tries to corrupt one of these little ones should have a mill stone tied around his neck and be cast into the sea. It's true that we have no right or need for special animosity toward sexual sins. "Such were some of you (us)" includes all types of sin. But these types of sins are diagnostic as end of civilization types of sins - where God destroys cities personally.
The point of the passage was Jesus interacting with the Jewish idea of sinners (with the adulterous woman, the tax collector, etc.).
Jesus sometimes knocks at a door for awhile; and another only briefly. Those who were slain, if they were lgtbq, had their chance for salvation. Not all were; one was the boyfriend of the man who first tackled the shooter. Why those straight people were at that club, I don't know.
You have misunderstood. You apparently think I am simply referring to repentance for this particular incident. I am calling for repentance for the last 50 years of "culture war" politics that has undermined our Christian witness. Culture war "Christianity" is a corrupted New Testament Christianity that seeks political power. Until the church steps away from that, we will continue to fail, since we has set aside the power of God and the way of Jesus.
Conservative Christianity?
Russell Moore and Tim Keller are both quite conservative. It is only in the era of Trump that upholding basic biblical morality has been equated with "liberalism." That simply shows the depravity of those who have rejected basic decency.
Not every straight person has contempt for those with a non-standard sexual orientation. Moreover, straight women will often go to gay clubs so that they won't get hit on all evening.
Some of you need to get to know people outside of your church circles. Those of us who build relationships outside of Christian circles know these things.
unprofitable
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Jesus ate with sinners to call them to repentance, not just to have someone to hang out with.
They were the ones able to confess their sins in contrast to the Pharisees who thought they had life and did the will of God.
Concerning the Pharisees, Jeremiah 6:15 says, "Were they ashamed when they committed abomination? Nay, they were not ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall, in the time of their visitation, they shall be cast down saith the Lord."
Now considering those that were killed. I disagree that they knew/confessed they were sinning by their homosexual lifestyle. The common justification among them is that "love is love" and in doing so try to justify a wicked lifestyle. The scriptures say God is love, therefore HE describes/defines what love is and I cannot find such a lifestyle as being justified by any verses of the bible. In using the "love is love" slogan they become as self righteous as the Pharisees and any sinner who cannot blush or find a reason to repent. Was this the day of visitation for those in the shooting?
They were the ones able to confess their sins in contrast to the Pharisees who thought they had life and did the will of God.
Concerning the Pharisees, Jeremiah 6:15 says, "Were they ashamed when they committed abomination? Nay, they were not ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall, in the time of their visitation, they shall be cast down saith the Lord."
Now considering those that were killed. I disagree that they knew/confessed they were sinning by their homosexual lifestyle. The common justification among them is that "love is love" and in doing so try to justify a wicked lifestyle. The scriptures say God is love, therefore HE describes/defines what love is and I cannot find such a lifestyle as being justified by any verses of the bible. In using the "love is love" slogan they become as self righteous as the Pharisees and any sinner who cannot blush or find a reason to repent. Was this the day of visitation for those in the shooting?
DaveXR650
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You might be surprised to know that if you mean the way we have made alliances and gotten involved with one particular party or candidate - I agree. But we are living in this country, right now, and we have a responsibility to influence for good. It's tempting to go full Amish and withdraw but I think that would be wrong although I understand why folks would.
By the way, some of us do know people outside of our church circles and without getting into some kind of a virtue signaling spitting contest let me just say that we know. I would like see some threads on what Christian citizens should and should not be doing. Also, I hope I haven't been harsh with you in my replies. You seem like a nice person.
unprofitable
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A common theme among any unrepented sin is self justification. It is common among those listed in Revelation 22:15 which says, "For without (the gates of the city) are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers and idolaters, and whosoever shall love (love is love) and maketh a lie."
In not listing homosexuals, does God justify them, or are they included with the whoremongers?
Before I came to know Christ, I spent several years hanging out on the street corner and made several "friends" as those who do likewise. It did not turn out well for me. I have no need to associate with those people anymore. I find it hard to understand why any professed child of God would find a need to hang out in an LGBTQ bar unless it would be, as Christ did, to call sinners to repentance. In paying a cover charge to be in such a place, where there could be drag shows, only supports such behavior.
If I had a brother in Christ who had a family member killed in the shooting, I and the church where I am a member, would comfort him. We would not give him a false hope by telling him that maybe his family member turned their life over to Christ in last seconds of their life while they were bleeding to death.
A common theme among any unrepented sin is self justification. It is common among those listed in Revelation 22:15 which says, "For without (the gates of the city) are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers and idolaters, and whosoever shall love (love is love) and maketh a lie."
In not listing homosexuals, does God justify them, or are they included with the whoremongers?
Before I came to know Christ, I spent several years hanging out on the street corner and made several "friends" as those who do likewise. It did not turn out well for me. I have no need to associate with those people anymore. I find it hard to understand why any professed child of God would find a need to hang out in an LGBTQ bar unless it would be, as Christ did, to call sinners to repentance. In paying a cover charge to be in such a place, where there could be drag shows, only supports such behavior.
If I had a brother in Christ who had a family member killed in the shooting, I and the church where I am a member, would comfort him. We would not give him a false hope by telling him that maybe his family member turned their life over to Christ in last seconds of their life while they were bleeding to death.
1) God causes or allows whatsoever comes to pass.
2) If something adverse happens to a person, say killed by a tornado, from the person's viewpoint the God caused tornado resulted in evil.
3) Our harsh environment, both the result of nature and the wanton acts of people, was caused and allowed by God for His purpose, to facilitate the lost to seek God as a refuge.
I am not fond of the "they got what they deserved" viewpoint, because I rest in the promise I will not get what I deserve.
When we see a list of sinful activities, such as idolaters, adulterers, etc think "all kinds of sinners" rather than the kind not specifically mentioned are excluded.
Our cultural bias (what we believed to be true when we came of age) blinds us. When we see looting and rioting we see people who believe that the established order is biased against them, so they can ignore its norms. When you see a "talking head" on TV address "systemic racism" or "white privilege" you see someone stoking the fires of mayhem, including mass murder. The miscreants are doling our "justice" in their sick minds.
2) If something adverse happens to a person, say killed by a tornado, from the person's viewpoint the God caused tornado resulted in evil.
3) Our harsh environment, both the result of nature and the wanton acts of people, was caused and allowed by God for His purpose, to facilitate the lost to seek God as a refuge.
I am not fond of the "they got what they deserved" viewpoint, because I rest in the promise I will not get what I deserve.
When we see a list of sinful activities, such as idolaters, adulterers, etc think "all kinds of sinners" rather than the kind not specifically mentioned are excluded.
Our cultural bias (what we believed to be true when we came of age) blinds us. When we see looting and rioting we see people who believe that the established order is biased against them, so they can ignore its norms. When you see a "talking head" on TV address "systemic racism" or "white privilege" you see someone stoking the fires of mayhem, including mass murder. The miscreants are doling our "justice" in their sick minds.
unprofitable
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God (caused) used other nations to punish Israel for their rebelliousness. He would then punish that nation for making war against Israel. Yes, this was to bring them to repentance. However the "day of visitation" is an important concept. Many quote Matt 23:37 that says,"...how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen doth her chickens under her wings, but ye would not." Verse 38 is just as important in that Christ draws the line. "Your house is left unto you desolate." They did not recognize the day of their visitation and judgment would be executed. Do you think that any saw a day of vistation by the Lord in the shooting. Hopefully, some will repent, but if not, he has already declared their end. It is terrible, as it was for Jerusalem, and needs to be declared unto them and not sugar coated or avoided. It is as if we have become so politically correct that it is something that cannot be discussed.
My point in Revelation 22:15 is that homosexuality is as much to be repented of as are the other types of transgressions. This was in response to the comment that there is little said concerning sexuality in the bible.
Yes, they did get what they deserved (Mt 23:28) and had not the Lord given me repentance, I also would have remained among those in Rev 22:15 and gotten what I deserved. Saying so does not make me self righteous but declares the undeserved mercy
he has shown me and other sinners like me.
My point in Revelation 22:15 is that homosexuality is as much to be repented of as are the other types of transgressions. This was in response to the comment that there is little said concerning sexuality in the bible.
Yes, they did get what they deserved (Mt 23:28) and had not the Lord given me repentance, I also would have remained among those in Rev 22:15 and gotten what I deserved. Saying so does not make me self righteous but declares the undeserved mercy
he has shown me and other sinners like me.
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