Particularly Jn 8: 12- 59
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"How to avoid Israeli brutality"
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ChrisTheSaved
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ChrisTheSaved
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John 14:6
Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
No. That does not revoke the Abrahamic blessing. "Everlasting" is everlasting.
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ChrisTheSaved
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Ok got it, you think they do not have to go through Jesus, even though Jesus was talking to Jews and preaching to Jews...his message was for Jews. The salvation he brought was not for Jews (according to you)....they can do as they will. I mean they still keep sacrificing at the temple right? Lol.
ChrisTheSaved
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John 8 has nothing to do with revoking the promises to Abraham.
Gentiles cannot say that they are the Chosen People. Paul says in Romans 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. KJV
It's pretty unequivocal actually: Jesus make it clear that in rejecting Him, they do not have Abraham as their father but rather Satan; they are no longer heirs to that promise.
And, think about it, why would they need to be: here is Jesus offering the true way of salvation which was only foreshadowed in the Old Covenant as a 'type', so what then becomes of the merits of the Abrahamic Covenant?
So, another 'Gospel'.
Matt, we got a good break in the zero weather here in the rust belt with spring weather and rain instead of snow and ice.
I guess Idi Amin believed he was the last King of Scotland. And the US had a cultist named Herbert W. Armstrong who constantly advocated British-Israelism. Now we have people misled by replacement theology. Now I myself am a gentile, born and raised. I am a wild olive tree, not a real olive tree. I have been adopted onto the royal family and I am a child of the King. Jesus is my brother.
But Romans 11:2 says God hath not cast away his people. KJV. Read Romans 11 if you have time and see what God says.
You, as usual, dont know what youbare talking about. The covenant with regard to the land was a one sided covenant mafe by God and had nothing to do with the law. In fact it was given long before the law was.
ChrisTheSaved
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No my point is that who did you think the people Jesus was physically talking to were? They were of course Jewish. I don't understand how people act as if this is somehow not what happened.
Of course his message was first to the Jews, Jesus said so himself. Matthew 15:24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
So if Jesus himself tells you what the plan of salvation for the Jews and the rest of us is .....and then to the gentiles. Romans 1:16 1For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.
If Jesus himself ministry's to the Jews and he says he is the only way...how can you keep up this absurdity that they somehow do not have to go through Jesus. This is even addressed by Paul..
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
Who here really believes there is another path to God not through Jesus?
ChrisTheSaved
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I guess Jesus is a liar...I mean Jesus doesn't mean no man right? He means only gentiles, of course that's hard seeing how he was saying this to a bunch of Jews.
I agree with you. The 'other Gospel' point is made contra those who say the Abrahamic Covenant remains as a soteriological method.
No one is claiming that the Abrahamic Covenant means salvation for the Jews. Where do you get that idea? What is being claimed is that the Jews are still the Chosen People, not the gentiles. If you have time, read Romans 11 where Paul explains everything.
You are mixing discussions. Read better.
Meaning what, exactly, from a soteriological perspective?
The Jews are now lost if they do not believe in Jesus as Lord and Saviour, but nothing else is changed because Israel and the Jews are still the natural olive tree. God's promises to the Jews are eternal. God knew that no human being could keep a promise because of human sin.
Have you had time to read Romans 11?
The blessing that granted them land did not save them then nor does it now. You are mixing things that don't mix.