Believe you me I have read it many times. And "I do not believe it means what you think it means."
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"How to avoid Israeli brutality"
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Well, then you have an obligation to state what you think it means. You are still a gentile, a Greek, a freeman, and a male. You do not have the promises made to physical Israel. Are you an Anglo-Israeli?
Nope, I'm a Christian, spiritual inheritor of the spiritual promises to Israel.
Why are you, as a Christian, so materialistic?
I take it that you are saying that God lied to the Jews and Paul lied to the gentiles. Don't go to Tehran and tell them that you are a Jew or they will put you in one of their concentration camps. Are you an Anglo-Israeli?
The first covenant with the Jews was not everlasting.
"For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him; for "Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved." (Romans 10:12-13)
These verses describe salvation under the second, everlasting covenant.
The Jews were warned that if they were not faithful to God they would lose the land that God had given them. I would argue they were not faithful and therefore no longer will keep their previous gift from God.
[1Ki 9:1 KJV] And it came to pass, when Solomon had finished the building of the house of the LORD, and the king's house, and all Solomon's desire which he was pleased to do,
[1Ki 9:2 KJV] That the LORD appeared to Solomon the second time, as he had appeared unto him at Gibeon.
[1Ki 9:3 KJV] And the LORD said unto him, I have heard thy prayer and thy supplication, that thou hast made before me: I have hallowed this house, which thou hast built, to put my name there for ever; and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually.
[1Ki 9:4 KJV] And if thou wilt walk before me, as David thy father walked, in integrity of heart, and in uprightness, to do according to all that I have commanded thee, [and] wilt keep my statutes and my judgments:
[1Ki 9:5 KJV] Then I will establish the throne of thy kingdom upon Israel for ever, as I promised to David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man upon the throne of Israel.
[1Ki 9:6 KJV] [But] if ye shall at all turn from following me, ye or your children, and will not keep my commandments [and] my statutes which I have set before you, but go and serve other gods, and worship them:
[1Ki 9:7 KJV] Then will I cut off Israel out of the land which I have given them; and this house, which I have hallowed for my name, will I cast out of my sight; and Israel shall be a proverb and a byword among all people:
[1Ki 9:8 KJV] And at this house, [which] is high, every one that passeth by it shall be astonished, and shall hiss; and they shall say, Why hath the LORD done thus unto this land, and to this house?
The Jews were warned that if they were not faithful to God they would lose the land that God had given them. I would argue they were not faithful and therefore no longer will keep their previous gift from God.
[1Ki 9:1 KJV] And it came to pass, when Solomon had finished the building of the house of the LORD, and the king's house, and all Solomon's desire which he was pleased to do,
[1Ki 9:2 KJV] That the LORD appeared to Solomon the second time, as he had appeared unto him at Gibeon.
[1Ki 9:3 KJV] And the LORD said unto him, I have heard thy prayer and thy supplication, that thou hast made before me: I have hallowed this house, which thou hast built, to put my name there for ever; and mine eyes and mine heart shall be there perpetually.
[1Ki 9:4 KJV] And if thou wilt walk before me, as David thy father walked, in integrity of heart, and in uprightness, to do according to all that I have commanded thee, [and] wilt keep my statutes and my judgments:
[1Ki 9:5 KJV] Then I will establish the throne of thy kingdom upon Israel for ever, as I promised to David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man upon the throne of Israel.
[1Ki 9:6 KJV] [But] if ye shall at all turn from following me, ye or your children, and will not keep my commandments [and] my statutes which I have set before you, but go and serve other gods, and worship them:
[1Ki 9:7 KJV] Then will I cut off Israel out of the land which I have given them; and this house, which I have hallowed for my name, will I cast out of my sight; and Israel shall be a proverb and a byword among all people:
[1Ki 9:8 KJV] And at this house, [which] is high, every one that passeth by it shall be astonished, and shall hiss; and they shall say, Why hath the LORD done thus unto this land, and to this house?
Again, covenant of redemption and promise of blessing are not identical.
Cut off for a time and restored. It happened quite a few times in various fashion in the scripture. It still does not nullify the everladting promise to Abraham.
ChrisTheSaved
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Please try to form a valid argument....go back to my comments and try to explain them away? Can you explain away Jesus telling Jews he is the only way? Oh, never mind you won't.
You can't maintain a coherent line of thought. Get this in your head please. Jesus is the only way to salvation. That has nothing to do with the Abrahamic land promise.
I've answered your question. Now kindly answer mine
But the Kingdom is not of this world. The spiritual New Covenant is the fulfilment of the material Old Covenant and has everything to do with it. Your insistence on separating the two is in danger of creating another Gospel which is anathema.
But not his Son. The only relationship they have there is one of betrayal, rejection, torture & and murder.
Ha!ha! All you said was that you disagreed. I take it that you are a lawyer indeed. And maybe you believe that Brits like you are the true Jews....
Quit with your pushing the British-Israelite heresy: that dog won't hunt
OK. It's tough getting answers from you, isn't it?
He who has the most guns wins.
Has nothing to do with the Jews being in the land