How To Be Saved

[Earth Wind and Fire]

A person isn’t saved before he’s saved.

And he isn’t saved a second time, after first being saved.

The witness of Scripture is
1. Christ died for our sins, was buried, and arose three days later.
2. Those who believe will be saved, those who do not, remain lost.

It’s easy to understand.

Apparently not for you.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Apparently not for you.

You are saved by the Grace of the Holy Spirit, then you begin to understand… but you don’t select… it’s not about you.

 

[MrW]

A person isn’t saved before he’s saved.

And he isn’t saved a second time, after first being saved.

The witness of Scripture is
1. Christ died for our sins, was buried, and arose three days later.
2. Those who believe will be saved, those who do not, remain lost.

It’s easy to understand.

You believe God regenerates a person before the person believes on the Lord Jesus Christ. To be regenerated is to be born again. Made spiritually alive. A person that is regenerated, born again, made spiritually alive is a saved person, headed for heaven. They’ve already got it all. There’s no need for them to believe because they’re already regenerated, born again, forgiven of their sins, saved!

But the Bible says to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved. Therefore, you have the person being saved, while still an unbeliever, and then, to fulfill scripture, as a born again, regenerated, saved UNBELIEVER, he will SOMEDAY, perhaps years later, BECOME a believer. Two salvations.

That reminds me of Catholicism, where a child is counted as saved when it is baptized in water as a baby, and then they think the baby will believe on Christ years later and “confirm” its salvation. Your Reformed Theology came straight out of Catholicism, but it did not come out of Catholicism far enough. Like Catholicism, you have people being saved while they’re still unbelievers.

You also have it mixed up with Judaism, that is, with circumcision in the Old Testament, where a baby was in covenant with God by circumcision. Baptism does not correspond with Old Testament circumcision. Under the New Covenant a person is required to believe before they are in covenant with God. Of necessity, that child will be at least several years old and understanding language to hear the Gospel.

Augustine was Catholic and he laid the foundation and Reformed Theology follows it still today, and it is an error because it does not agree with Scripture.

Scripture tells me a person must repent, and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and God knows whether or not the lost sinner has truly repented, and is truly believing on the Lord Jesus Christ, and when that is true belief and not fake, then God keeps His promise and grants them the miracle of the new birth. The person can’t make God give them the new birth, they can only meet the conditions, and then God alone by His own will, not the will of man, and not the will of the flesh, for man has NO regenerative power, but by his own divine prerogative, keeps His promise and grants that one regeneration, the new birth, forgiveness of sins, and the Holy Spirit baptizes him into Christ—salvation.

John 1:12-13, 1 Corinthians 12:13.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

You believe God regenerates a person before the person believes on the Lord Jesus Christ. To be regenerated is to be born again. Made spiritually alive. A person that is regenerated, born again, made spiritually alive is a saved person, headed for heaven. They’ve already got it all. There’s no need for them to believe because they’re already regenerated, born again, forgiven of their sins, saved!

But the Bible says to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved. Therefore, you have the person being saved, while still an unbeliever, and then, to fulfill scripture, as a born again, regenerated, saved UNBELIEVER, he will SOMEDAY, perhaps years later, BECOME a believer. Two salvations.

That reminds me of Catholicism, where a child is counted as saved when it is baptized in water as a baby, and then they think the baby will believe on Christ years later and “confirm” its salvation. Your Reformed Theology came straight out of Catholicism, but it did not come out of Catholicism far enough. Like Catholicism, you have people being saved while they’re still unbelievers.

You also have it mixed up with Judaism, that is, with circumcision in the Old Testament, where a baby was in covenant with God by circumcision. Baptism does not correspond with Old Testament circumcision. Under the New Covenant a person is required to believe before they are in covenant with God. Of necessity, that child will be at least several years old and understanding language to hear the Gospel.

Augustine was Catholic and he laid the foundation and Reformed Theology follows it still today, and it is an error because it does not agree with Scripture.

Scripture tells me a person must repent, and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and God knows whether or not the lost sinner has truly repented, and is truly believing on the Lord Jesus Christ, and when that is true belief and not fake, then God keeps His promise and grants them the miracle of the new birth. The person can’t make God give them the new birth, they can only meet the conditions, and then God alone by His own will, not the will of man, and not the will of the flesh, for man has NO regenerative power, but by his own divine prerogative, keeps His promise and grants that one regeneration, the new birth, forgiveness of sins, and the Holy Spirit baptizes him into Christ—salvation.

John 1:12-13, 1 Corinthians 12:13.

I’m Baptist… the old school type, thus I’m not a Catholic nor am I Reformed. Nice try, but you are not hitting the mark with those accusations. You appear to believe in an Armenian doctrine; that is, a doctrine of works which teaches a general or universal atonement, meaning that Christ died for every person who has ever lived. We Old School Baptists believe in a particular atonement, meaning that Christ died for the sins of His elect only and not for the sins of every man.(Isaiah 53:10; John 10:11,14-15; Romans 9:11-24; Romans 8:29-33; Ephesians 1:4-5; John 17:6-9; I Peter 1:2; I Thessalonians 1:4). If Christ died for every person who has ever lived, all would be saved and this we know is not true for He said, "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out. For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day" (John 6:37-39)

 

[Van]

How to be saved:

1) Recognize your need for salvation from the eternal punishment of God. The dupes of Satan will say you are unable to recognize you are a wretched sinner, heading for Hades and Gehenna. Just as the wicked say, "there is no God" they also say, "there is no Hades and Gehenna."

2) Once you recognize your condition, a sinner heading for eternal punishment, you need to recognize you are unable by your own actions to alter that awful outcome. The dupes of Satan will say if you are good enough, God will be compelled to save you.

3) At this point, you need to take the action of the people described in John 6:28-29.

John 6:28-29 NET
So then they said to him, "What must we do to accomplish the deeds God requires?" Jesus replied, "This is the deed God requires - to believe in the one whom he sent."

4) God sent our Lord and Savior, Jesus as His "Lamb of God."

5) In order to be our Lord (Boss) we need to be committed to keeping His commands and serving Him with our lives.

6) In order to be our Savior, we need to believe that He died to provide the means of our salvation, and that He arose from the dead demonstrating He is the Son of God, and to fully rely upon Christ for our salvation, which is us "calling on His name."

Folks, verse after verse says we are saved through faith, meaning God utilizes our faith existing before salvation. Some are posting all those verses are in error and what they mean is we are saved NOT through faith. Pay no attention to these posters of fiction.

 

[AustinC]

@Van wrote:
How to be saved:

1) Recognize your need for salvation from the eternal punishment of God. The dupes of Satan will say you are unable to recognize you are a wretched sinner, heading for Hades and Gehenna. Just as the wicked say, "there is no God" they also say, "there is no Hades and Gehenna."

2) Once you recognize your condition, a sinner heading for eternal punishment, you need to recognize you are unable by your own actions to alter that awful outcome. The dupes of Satan will say if you are good enough, God will be compelled to save you.

3) At this point, you need to take the action of the people described in John 6:28-29.

John 6:28-29 NET
So then they said to him, "What must we do to accomplish the deeds God requires?" Jesus replied, "This is the deed God requires - to believe in the one whom he sent."

4) God sent our Lord and Savior, Jesus as His "Lamb of God."

5) In order to be our Lord (Boss) we need to be committed to keeping His commands and serving Him with our lives.

6) In order to be our Savior, we need to believe that He died to provide the means of our salvation, and that He arose from the dead demonstrating He is the Son of God, and to fully rely upon Christ for our salvation, which is us "calling on His name."

Folks, verse after verse says we are saved through faith, meaning God utilizes our faith existing before salvation. Some are posting all those verses are in error and what they mean is we are saved NOT through faith. Pay no attention to these posters of fiction.

I notice that God is not present in your world. Humans are the cause by following your legal prescription of works.

The terms for your teaching are: graceless, legalistic, humanistic

 

[MrW]

Earth, Wind, and Fire:

Whatever your theological affiliation, it is nonetheless true that Reformed Theology is an offshoot of Catholicism. They rejected much of the RCC's theology, but they didn't reject enough, like baby baptism, and connecting it to circumcision in the Old Testament (which is how a baby was considered in covenant with God).

I hope you don't identify with them, but that is still where the belief you embrace has its roots, whether or not you are aware of it.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Earth, Wind, and Fire:

Whatever your theological affiliation, it is nonetheless true that Reformed Theology is an offshoot of Catholicism. They rejected much of the RCC's theology, but they didn't reject enough, like baby baptism, and connecting it to circumcision in the Old Testament (which is how a baby was considered in covenant with God).

I hope you don't identify with them, but that is still where the belief you embrace has its roots, whether or not you are aware of it.

You probably don’t know much about Catholicism then… but I will give you a chance to prove it out and please note that I was born and raised in that particular church. We are the antithesis of the RCC.

 

[AustinC]

Earth, Wind, and Fire:

Whatever your theological affiliation, it is nonetheless true that Reformed Theology is an offshoot of Catholicism. They rejected much of the RCC's theology, but they didn't reject enough, like baby baptism, and connecting it to circumcision in the Old Testament (which is how a baby was considered in covenant with God).

I hope you don't identify with them, but that is still where the belief you embrace has its roots, whether or not you are aware of it.

W, your soteriology is in lockstep with the Roman Catholic Church, jumping fully into the semi-pelagian teachings of salvation that require works before grace.

 

[37818]

. . . require works before grace.

What are these requited works?

Romans 11:6, ". . . But if it is by grace, it is no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. . . ."

 

[tyndale1946]

You probably don’t know much about Catholicism then… but I will give you a chance to prove it out and please note that I was born and raised in that particular church.

When we get to Heaven we won't be singing that old Frank Sinatra song I did it my way... Then we will finally realize this scripture... This is the only way any are saved!... Brother Glen

John 14: 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

W, your soteriology is in lockstep with the Roman Catholic Church, jumping fully into the semi-pelagian teachings of salvation that require works before grace.

And my I say that I believe your statement to be correct, ie both Catholism and semi pelagian teachings lean hard on man’s works before grace… and that is quite disconcerting for the Christian worldview. Will the works based type return to their origins and become one with Catholics… Proverbs 26:11-12. heaven forbid!

Back to the present question,
Are Primitive Baptists Calvinists?

A: No. In the minds of most people, Christianity is divided into two major groups, those who believe eternal salvation depends on your choice (i.e.-”accepting” Christ) and Calvinists (those who advocate the theology of John Calvin). Clearly, there is a plain distinction between Primitive Baptists and those who believe you can “accept” Christ. However, when people hear Primitive Baptists proclaim the doctrines of grace (election, predestination, etc.) they assume that Primitive Baptists are some branch of the Calvinist family. The fact is, Primitive Baptists have never been a part of either group, since they and their ancestors have maintained their identity since the days of Christ and the Apostles. John Calvin was a Protestant Reformer who seceded from the Catholic church and started Presbyterianism. Baptists derive their existence from Christ and the Apostles and as such, predate Catholics and have maintained separate existence even through the Dark Ages, hence the name, “Primitive.” (Matt. 16:16-18; Eph. 2:20).

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

When we get to Heaven we won't be singing that old Frank Sinatra song I did it my way... Then we will finally realize this scripture... This is the only way any are saved!... Brother Glen

John 14: 6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Never a truer statement exists is all of the Christian world! Bless you brother.

 

[AustinC]

What are these requited works?

Romans 11:6, ". . . But if it is by grace, it is no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. . . ."

How many conditions do you require of a man before God can save him?
This thread is titled "How to be Saved", as if there is a 5 step method. So, what are the conditions you would put up on a man before God can save him?

 

[MrW]

W, your soteriology is in lockstep with the Roman Catholic Church, jumping fully into the semi-pelagian teachings of salvation that require works before grace.

LOL. That’ll be the day, to quote Buddy Holley. And not even the day I die.

My church was never affiliated with the RCC, but your Reformed Theology is still attached to them.

 

[MrW]

And my I say that I believe your statement to be correct, ie both Catholism and semi pelagian teachings lean hard on man’s works before grace… and that is quite disconcerting for the Christian worldview. Will the works based type return to their origins and become one with Catholics… Proverbs 26:11-12. heaven forbid!

Back to the present question,
Are Primitive Baptists Calvinists?

A: No. In the minds of most people, Christianity is divided into two major groups, those who believe eternal salvation depends on your choice (i.e.-”accepting” Christ) and Calvinists (those who advocate the theology of John Calvin). Clearly, there is a plain distinction between Primitive Baptists and those who believe you can “accept” Christ. However, when people hear Primitive Baptists proclaim the doctrines of grace (election, predestination, etc.) they assume that Primitive Baptists are some branch of the Calvinist family. The fact is, Primitive Baptists have never been a part of either group, since they and their ancestors have maintained their identity since the days of Christ and the Apostles. John Calvin was a Protestant Reformer who seceded from the Catholic church and started Presbyterianism. Baptists derive their existence from Christ and the Apostles and as such, predate Catholics and have maintained separate existence even through the Dark Ages, hence the name, “Primitive.” (Matt. 16:16-18; Eph. 2:20).

Primitive Baptists are hyper-Calvinists. Not that they necessarily follow Calvin, but they believe what he believed, on steroids. They go beyond Calvin, as do some later day Calvinists. It’s a description, not a denomination.

 

[AustinC]

LOL. That’ll be the day, to quote Buddy Holley. And not even the day I die.

My church was never affiliated with the RCC, but your Reformed Theology is still attached to them.

It matters not with whom your church is affiliated. The same soteriology of works before grace is at the core of your teaching.

At the council of Trent, Rome officially threw out Augustine's salvation by grace and fed from the trough of Pelagian. Many "protestant" denominations, including many Baptist denominations have embraced semi-pelagian soteriology and placed works before grace. Your own soteriology does that very thing.

 

[MrW]

I would have to look up the word, since it’s not in Scripture and I didn’t study Latin.

If the RCC finally got something right, I wasn’t aware of it.

 

[MrW]

My denomination is the only one (that I know of) that was never connected to Rome.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Primitive Baptists are hyper-Calvinists. Not that they necessarily follow Calvin, but they believe what he believed, on steroids. They go beyond Calvin, as do some later day Calvinists. It’s a description, not a denomination.

LOL, We make a sincere effort to maintain the practice and doctrine exhibited in the New Testament, despite changing values and customs around us. so if that’s what you consider Hyper Calvinist ( which you use as a pejorative) then so be it.