Accountable said:
You have some major extra biblical statements that evidently Amy agrees with also. I will list a few:
1. You say we must deal with Heaven first. Why did Jesus say: "Seek ye FIRST the KINGDOM of GOD?"
1. As I said, you must reach heaven before you reach the kingdom.
The Gospel of Matthew was written primarily to Jews presenting Christ as Messiah, the King. In this gospel the "kingdom" is used more often than any other. There are more OT references than any other. For us to seek first the Kingdom of God, obviously, is to seek first the things of God.
You fail to look at the context in two different ways. The overall context is: the sermon on the mount, which is all about the Kingdom. Read all three chapters: 5-7, and you will have a better idea of what the kingdom is all about. Don't just isolate one verse out of context.
Secondly, the immediate context. Looik at it:
Matthew 6:31-34 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed? (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek

for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
What is he talking about. Don't worry about earthly things. Your Father will take care of you. Set your eyes on heavenly things, (the kingdom of God) and his righteousness. This is in opposition to the things of this world. Read things in context. You missed the context on both accounts.
2. If you're taking this stance from a spiritual regeneration before soulical theology can be brought up, I would agree.
I am not sure what you are talking about when you say "soulical theology. Is this your own term? I previously said you must talk about heaven before you talk about the kingdom in the context of John 3:3. Obviously when one is saved they will go to heaven before they will reach the kingdom.
BUT We are not seeking"heaven" when we become Born from Above but simply eternal life. I have yet to see a verse that teaches us to ever seek "Heaven" first.
Eternal life is but a gift. When I was saved the Holy Spirit came and dwelled within me by the power of Jesus Christ. From that time onward I have had a relationship with Jesus Christ which "grows sweeter as the days go by." I am looking forward to seeing Christ. I am looking forward to being with Him. He has promised that he is coming soon; coming quickly; coming at such a time when we know not and least expect it. When he comes I will go back to heaven with Him. I will be raptured. I look forward to that event. It is the first resurrection. I already have eternal have. I am housed in an earthly body awaiting my celestial body. In heaven I will receive my celestial body, or more accurately at the time of my resurrection. The Scriptures that deal with eternal life deal with it in the present not the future. It is something we already possess.
"He that hath the son, hath life; he that hath not the son hath not life."
There are dozens of Scripture which speak of "being with Christ." But Christ is in heaven now, at the right hand of the Father. He stood to receive Stephen into heaven, as he was martyred for Christ.
3. Jesus DID NOT say "I go to prepare a mansion for you." He said "I go to prepare a PLACE for you." The previous Words of Christ say: "In my Father's house ARE many mansions." The mansions were already there. There is not one verse of scripture to even hint the you nor I will recieve a mansion. The "place" that Jesus went to prepare is revealed in Revelations AFTER the Millenial Reign of Christ.
Prove that through Scripture.
John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
--the place grammatically refers back to the subject, the mansions which he first referred. He would not have brought "mansions' into the subject unless he was going to speak of them. Use common sense here. The only way you can misinterpret this is to read your own pre-conceived ideas into this passage--as you are doing.
--Granted the word "mansions" is simply a word for "dwelling place." Darby translates the verse this way:
John 14:2 In my Father's house there are many abodes; were it not so, I had told you: for I go to prepare you a place;
But the context remains the same. Jesus was about to die, be buried, rise from the dead, and then ascend
into heaven. This promise was to his disciples for them to be with him in heaven. That is the context. There is no kingdom in sight here.
John, in the timeline, did not see it until the Millenial was concluded and the Great White Throne of Judgement has closed court, and all tears are wiped away. I'm not going up to this "Heaven" which God calls the New Jerusalem. It is coming down out of Heaven to me. Amen!
This is all based on your imagination and not Scripture. You have nothing to back it up. Look at your unbiblical and extra-biblical statements.
"John in the timeline did not see it until the Millenial was concluded and the GWT of judgement has closed court and all tears are wiped away."
--How do you know what John knew; what John thought; what John understood; etc. This is the height of arrogance, and the beginnings of gnosticism. You are saying "I have a higher knowledge--I can see into John's mind and understand what he understood. I have knowledge that no one else has." You are treading on dangerous heresy.
--"John did not see it" I can't believe you would actually say that! John writes under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and you say: John you don't understand what you are writing but I do! What arrogance!
--And then because you infer that John is ignorant, you bring in your heretical ME doctrine. Now you can introduce the MK, the GWT, and other events. Why? Because John didn't see it. He was ignorant. But you could see it!
4. You say the JSOC and the Marriage Supper take place in Heaven. There is no scripture to back this up. If you have the scripture to back up this statement, please give us the refrence.
In Acts 1, the angels say to the disciples:
Acts 1:11 who also said, Men of Galilee, why do ye stand looking into heaven? This Jesus who has been taken up from you into heaven, shall thus come in the manner in which ye have beheld him going into heaven.
--Jesus went up into heaven, and will come back from heaven in the same way. He will come back at the time of the rapture described in
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 for the Lord himself, with an assembling shout, with archangel's voice and with trump of God, shall descend from heaven; and the dead in Christ shall rise first; then *we*, the living who remain, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we shall be always with the Lord.
In the Book of Revelation, after the rapture takes place the Antichrist will be revealed and Tribulation will start, a period lasting seven years. This period is described between Rev.6-19.
The JSOC is described as a heavenly scene in 1Cor.3:11-15.
The marrriage supper of the Lamb is described in Rev.19:7-9
Immediately after that we see Christ coming as King, with the saints of God, to the earth to conquer his enemies and to rescue Israel. At this time he will set up his Kingdom. This event is described from Rev.19:11 to the end of the chapter.
You say one thing I agree with. "Absent from the body, present with the Lord. Where in this scripture do you see the New Jerusalem with a Street of Gold, Jasper walls, etc., etc? For you to say that the Lord is now reigning in this new city is to say that Satan has access to this new city and I definitely do not believe that Satan has access to the "New City."
I never said those things.
According to Job, Satan has access to the Lord. I believe as long as Satan continues to wear the crown as Prince of the air, runling the earth until the Lord's return, he will continue to have access to the Lord. This will not happen when we ENTER the New City, AFTER the Millenial Reign.
True enough. I never said anything differently.
During the MK, Satan will be thrown into a bottomless pit and there be bound for a thousand years. But afterward he will find enough unsaved to gather an army and make one last attempt to try and overthrow Christ, at which time God will "consume" him with fire. Then the GWT judgement will take place. Rev.20:10 says that he will be thrown into the Lake of Fire where the beast and the false prophet are and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever. After the GWT Christ shall make a new heaven and a new earth.
I pray this will help you to see that we are not crazy. We just take the Bible at It's Word.
I take the Bible at its word also and come to some conclusions which are quite opposite of yours.