How to defeat the EIREITAD heresy!

[DHK]

I think God already made that judgment.
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

You take that Scripture out of context and totally ingnore verse 11
But such were some of you
Those were the sins of the unsaved. And those sins are covered by the blood. And if they are committed again in the future they are still covered by the blood. The difference is: in the past they were a way of life. In the future a believer may lapse into sin because he is not perfect. Again and again I see you people (including Bob) take this Scripture out of context. Jesus doesn't have the same list. Why not? There are other lists in the Bible. Are any of them comprehensive? What list contains the sin of pedophilia? Which sin in our society carries the greater penalty: pedophilia or adultery? Why isn't pedophilia mentioned?

 

[DHK]

That is not right! And, it's not right on more than one level.

Only Jesus the Christ can make that judgment at the appropriate time.

However, I can tell you from Scriptures that adultery is condemned.

All sins are condemned by God: a little white lie just as much as adultery; for sin is a transgression against the law (1John 3:4)

 

[DHK]

Give me a break DHK. That couldn't be further from the Truth. How in the world are we setting up ourselves in God's place by merely repeating His warning to believers? Repeating His Truth does not make us Him or above Him.

If that is the case then you are doing the same thing every time you share the Truth of Scripture.

We have not judged anyone. We have never said that this person will receive the kingdom and this person will not speaking specifically of someone. We don't even say that we are guaranteed to be there, because we understand that we could be disqualified just as Paul said he could. And if Paul could be disqualified you better believe I could be!

#1. Did Paul ever say he would be disqualified by committing a specific sin?
#2. Did Paul ever say he would be disqualified from entering the Kingdom?
#3. Did Paul ever say he would be disqualified from entering into heaven?
#4. What did Paul say he would be disqualified from? And what did that pertain to?

Instead of confining yourself to those wicked sins of 1Cor.6 (which don't even apply to the believer), why not look elsewhere and see what Jesus condemns:

Matthew 23:23 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, for ye pay tithes of mint and anise and cummin, and ye have left aside the weightier matters of the law, judgment and mercy and faith: these ye ought to have done and not have left those aside.

Much of the Gospel of Matthew speaks of the Kingdom for it is directed to a Jewish audience and presents Christ as the Messiah, the King of the Jews. His condemnation of them is that they omitted justice, mercy and faith--things that in the sight of Christ were far worse than the sin of adultery which he freely forgave (the adulterous woman), and gave her a gentle rebuke to go and do it no more.
But your condemnation is based on the law. You judge people yourself, instead of leaving judgement up to God. You have already consigned people either to Hell or to 1000 years of Hell according to your own system of works. Commit adltery and be condemned you say.
But Christ put far greater importance on justice mercy and faith. He said if a person didn't have these he was cursed!! "Woe unto them..."

 

[Lacy Evans]

#1. Did Paul ever say he would be disqualified by committing a specific sin?

Lots of times. 1 Cor 6, Gal 5, Eph 5

#2. Did Paul ever say he would be disqualified from entering the Kingdom?

Lots of times.
1 Cor 9:27, 2 Cor 5:9-11, Phil 3:11-15, Heb 4:11

#3. Did Paul ever say he would be disqualified from entering into heaven?

If by heaven, you mean the new heaven and earth, then absolutely not.

#4. What did Paul say he would be disqualified from? And what did that pertain to?

See above scriptures an context.

Instead of confining yourself to those wicked sins of 1Cor.6 (which don't even apply to the believer), why not look elsewhere and see what Jesus condemns:

Matthew 23:23 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites, for ye pay tithes of mint and anise and cummin, and ye have left aside the weightier matters of the law, judgment and mercy and faith: these ye ought to have done and not have left those aside.

Amen brother!!! Now you are getting to the meat of the word! That's good preaching! Where's Ed with a "Amen Bro. DHK Preach it!" when you need him!

Much of the Gospel of Matthew speaks of the Kingdom for it is directed to a Jewish audience and presents Christ as the Messiah, the King of the Jews. His condemnation of them is that they omitted justice, mercy and faith--things that in the sight of Christ were far worse than the sin of adultery which he freely forgave (the adulterous woman), and gave her a gentle rebuke to go and do it no more.

Oh man. And you were doing so good. Watch out for the implications of this theory. Take it to it's logical conclusion and what you have is a gospel of works-salvation for Israel and faith alone for everyone else. Nearly all of the original church was from "Israel" and it certainly wasn't what they were preaching.

But your condemnation is based on the law. You judge people yourself, instead of leaving judgement up to God. You have already consigned people either to Hell or to 1000 years of Hell according to your own system of works. Commit adltery and be condemned you say.
But Christ put far greater importance on justice mercy and faith. He said if a person didn't have these he was cursed!! "Woe unto them..."

There . . . you . . .go . . . again.

Dude, is this what you do when you run out of all the good stuff you just said. We don't judge anyone but ourselves and that with great care and fear.

1Co 11:31
For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged.

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Jeremiah 17:9-10
9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
10 I the Lord search the heart, I try the reins, even to give every man according to his ways, and according to the fruit of his doings.

 

[DHK]

#1. Did Paul ever say he would be disqualified by committing a specific sin?

Lots of times. 1 Cor 6, Gal 5, Eph 5


Lots of times.
1 Cor 9:27, 2 Cor 5:9-11, Phil 3:11-15, Heb 4:11



If by heaven, you mean the new heaven and earth, then absolutely not.


See above scriptures an context.

The Bible says "There is no God." Lacy. (Psalm 14:1). A bunch of references out of context are meaningless. When you say "see context," I am sure that you mean "See MY CONTEXT" (i.e. Lacy's context). If you provide the verse, then you provide the entire verse with its context and explanation in answer to my question. In actual fact you have not answered a single question that I have asked you.

 

[Lacy Evans]

#1. Did Paul ever say he would be disqualified by committing a specific sin? The Bible says "There is no God." Lacy. (Psalm 14:1). A bunch of references out of context are meaningless. When you say "see context," I am sure that you mean "See MY CONTEXT" (i.e. Lacy's context). If you provide the verse, then you provide the entire verse with its context and explanation in answer to my question. In actual fact you have not answered a single question that I have asked you.

So in other words the questions were rhetorical and you weren't really wanting an answer?

 

[DHK]

So in other words the questions were rhetorical and you weren't really wanting an answer?

No, the questions were real. Must I explain it again. In the Other Denominations forum I debated with a COC (Church of Christ). If I asked him a question he would answer by giving a string of 12 to 20 references. Lacy I am not going to spend my time looking up all your references. If you can't post a verse or two and explain how it refutes or answers my question, I will assume that you can't answer the question that I asked of you.

 

[Lacy Evans]

No, the questions were real. Must I explain it again. In the Other Denominations forum I debated with a COC (Church of Christ). If I asked him a question he would answer by giving a string of 12 to 20 references. Lacy I am not going to spend my time looking up all your references. If you can't post a verse or two and explain how it refutes or answers my question, I will assume that you can't answer the question that I asked of you.

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[DHK]

Instaverse!

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It's all about that bandwidth baby. I can't shrink my signature any smaller.

No, it is about you rightly dividing the word of truth. You believe in ME. Apparently you are unable to defend you position. It is a bogus doctrine which you are unable to answer questions about. You have proved my point well.

 

[Lacy Evans]

No, it is about you rightly dividing the word of truth. You believe in ME. Apparently you are unable to defend you position. It is a bogus doctrine which you are unable to answer questions about. You have proved my point well.

Dude! Instaverse is awesome! You just hover your mouse over the reference and Kapow!!! the verse pops up. If your problem was saving time, then Instaverse solves it. It works on web sites, word documents, power point documents, etc.

I highly recommend it.

 

[DHK]

Dude! Instaverse is awesome! You just hover your mouse over the reference and Kapow!!! the verse pops up. If your problem was saving time, then Instaverse solves it. It works on web sites, word documents, power point documents, etc.

I highly recommend it.

I am not interested in programs for looking up Scripture. I have my own. I have many of those Scriptures memorized anyway. But they don't answer the questions. You must demonstrate in your own words how they answer the questions. You still haven't answered any of my questions. Simply quoting a Bible verse won't cut it.

 

[DHK]

I highly recommend it.

I highly recommend your own Bible Study.
You keep proving that ME doctrine is baseless, without Scriptural foundation, and that you have no answers for it.

 

[James_Newman]

You take that Scripture out of context and totally ingnore verse 11
But such were some of you

What were the rest of them?

Those were the sins of the unsaved. And those sins are covered by the blood. And if they are committed again in the future they are still covered by the blood. The difference is: in the past they were a way of life. In the future a believer may lapse into sin because he is not perfect. Again and again I see you people (including Bob) take this Scripture out of context. Jesus doesn't have the same list. Why not? There are other lists in the Bible. Are any of them comprehensive? What list contains the sin of pedophilia? Which sin in our society carries the greater penalty: pedophilia or adultery? Why isn't pedophilia mentioned?

Galatians 5:21
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[DHK]

[/b]What were the rest of them?

James there is only person in our church that I know of that could be considered a drunkard in his life before he was saved, and there is not anyone that was a murderer. I doubt if anyone would fit the category of an "extortioner." Such were some of you. Not every one in the church had sordid backgrounds in their unsaved lifetimes. Some, from their childhood, were raised in Christian homes, as is today. Thus the phrase "such were some of you. Not all had sordid backgrounds. I think that is obvious.

Galatians 5:21
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Drunkeness, revelings, (pedophilia)...
Sorry James, that just doesn't fit the context of sins related to brawling and drunkeness. Those are not sexual sins.

 

[James_Newman]

James there is only person in our church that I know of that could be considered a drunkard in his life before he was saved, and there is not anyone that was a murderer. I doubt if anyone would fit the category of an "extortioner." Such were some of you. Not every one in the church had sordid backgrounds in their unsaved lifetimes. Some, from their childhood, were raised in Christian homes, as is today. Thus the phrase "such were some of you. Not all had sordid backgrounds. I think that is obvious.
Drunkeness, revelings, (pedophilia)...
Sorry James, that just doesn't fit the context of sins related to brawling and drunkeness. Those are not sexual sins.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

What about covetous?

Romans 7:7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

If someone can't find a sin on that list that applies to them, what were they saved from?

 

[Lacy Evans]

I am not interested in programs for looking up Scripture. I have my own.

It's just whatever man.

I think you're just being crotchety, like having a civil conversation with a Christian brother who disagrees wit you doctrinally is somehow a concession of defeat. You don't even have to look them up. You just float your mouse over the reference, and it pops up. If it would make any difference, I'd post every verse with extended commentary, then I'd probably get rebuked by the moderators for posts that are too lengthy.

It's just whatever man.

I have many of those Scriptures memorized anyway.

Oh well . . . that explains why you have posted so many times griping that I only posted the references and not the whole verses.

But they don't answer the questions.

Of course they didn't.

You must demonstrate in your own words how they answer the questions. You still haven't answered any of my questions. Simply quoting a Bible verse won't cut it.

Did Paul ever warn us that a specific sin would keep him (us) out of the Kingdom? Word for word those who do these sins won't inherit the Kingdom? How much commentary does it need?

 

[James_Newman]

Drunkeness, revelings, (pedophilia)...
Sorry James, that just doesn't fit the context of sins related to brawling and drunkeness. Those are not sexual sins.

Sorry, here is more context for you.
Galatians 5:19-21
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[DHK]

1 Corinthians 6:9-11
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

What about covetous?

Romans 7:7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

If someone can't find a sin on that list that applies to them, what were they saved from?

Answer the question: Why did Jesus die?
He came to save us from our sins, in particular to pay the penalty for our sins. That penalty was paid with price of his own blood. All my sins: past present and future were paid for with the precious blood of our Lord Jesus Christ. That is what the atonement is all about. Christ came to pay a penalty that I could never pay. I can't pay the penalty for my sin: not in a Catholic purgatory or a Baptiat one.

Jesus paid it all;
all to him I owe.
Sin had left a crimson stain.
He washed it white as snow.

He has paid the penalty that I will never have to pay. All sin is the same.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

There is no difference between the sin of coveting, lying, murder, and adultery.
They are all a transgression of God's law (1John 3:4), and they all draw the same condemnation, although the consequences on this earth may be different.

 

[James_Newman]

Answer the question: Why did Jesus die?
He came to save us from our sins, in particular to pay the penalty for our sins. That penalty was paid with price of his own blood. All my sins: past present and future were paid for with the precious blood of our Lord Jesus Christ. That is what the atonement is all about. Christ came to pay a penalty that I could never pay. I can't pay the penalty for my sin: not in a Catholic purgatory or a Baptiat one.

Jesus paid it all;
all to him I owe.
Sin had left a crimson stain.
He washed it white as snow.

He has paid the penalty that I will never have to pay. All sin is the same.

James 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

There is no difference between the sin of coveting, lying, murder, and adultery.
They are all a transgression of God's law (1John 3:4), and they all draw the same condemnation, although the consequences on this earth may be different.

You answered your own question. Now answer the one I asked days ago that no one cares to touch. Why did Davids child die even though his sins were forgiven?

 

[DHK]

You answered your own question.

Read my post again. And read your question again.
Here is your question: What were they saved from?
My concise answer (with extended explanation) was simply this:
They were saved from the penalty of sin!