Thge kingdom Age here upon the earth has nations coming up to worship God, correct?
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How to interpret the Bible
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1689Dave
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They were Jewish and Premill until Jesus enlightened them Jesus was Amillennial.
Jesus did not alter their viewpoint, as peter looked forward to the coming Kingdom Age here at second coming, and Jesus did NOT state that Israel would never have the Kingdom Age as the OT prophets foretold, but that it was not for now!
1689Dave
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This is not true. Peter said:
“And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed. But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.” (1 Peter 2:8–10)
Spritual israel has the Heavenly realms, while national Israel after the flesh when reborn by Jesus at seconf coming will ahve that earthly Kingdom!
1689Dave
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National Israel ended in 70 AD. Broken off from biblical Israel because of unbelief. Now made up of Antichrists who say Jesus the Messiah did not come in the flesh.To be reunited individually with biblical Israel only through faith in Christ.
Here is a fellow refprmed Baptist, such as myself, who saw the truth evident in the scriptures concerning national and spiritual Israel!
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1689Dave
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But, Jesus was Amillennial.
In your opinion, as you "prove it" in a 100 % way from the scriptures!
1689Dave
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Please consider the spiritual nature of the Kingdom:
“And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matthew 3:2) (KJV 1900)
“And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.” (Matthew 11:12) (KJV 1900)
“Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.” (Matthew 16:28) (KJV 1900)
“Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.” (John 3:3) (KJV 1900)
“Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.” (John 18:36) (KJV 1900)
“And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:” (Luke 17:20) (KJV 1900)
“Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.” (Luke 17:21) (KJV 1900)
“But if I cast out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has already overtaken you.” (Luke 11:20)
“because we are not looking at what can be seen but at what cannot be seen. For what can be seen is temporary, but what cannot be seen is eternal.” (2 Corinthians 4:18)
Thanks for this, Jordan.
Very interesting. I shall read it through again as I have time.I hope those who keep saying that all we need in a strictly literal hermeneutic will also read it. We really need to get beyond that. The Lord Jesus says, "These are [the Scriptures] that testify of Me." If our hermeneutic keeps us from finding Christ in al the Scriptures, we need to change it.
I am really getting tired of you making the assumption that because something has a spiritual nature that it never is manifested on a physical manner. Consider Jesus Christ himself, he is spiritual, but he came and was physically born of a virgin. Yes God's kingdom has a spiritual component, but that in no way detracts from the teachings of scripture that there will be a literal kingdom.
Take a close look at John 18:36 that you quoted above... Jesus said "now" is my kingdom not from hence, (of this world). That does not mean it won't be in the future.
Would you agree with me that while we can state in our opinion scriptures teach A mil, or belivers baptism, or whateverdoctrine, we cannot state that as 100 % certainity, almost like speaking for as a n Apostle on it?Thanks for this, Jordan.
I hope those who keep saying that all we need in a strictly literal hermeneutic will also read it. We really need to get beyond that. The Lord Jesus says, "These are [the Scriptures] that testify of Me." If our hermeneutic keeps us from finding Christ in al the Scriptures, we need to change it.
This is not the school debating society where we put up various points of view just for the fun of it. This is God's precious word, and I take it very seriously indeed.. If I am not 100% sure of what I write, I will say so, or, more probably, not write it at all.
However, if someone will show me from the word of God where I am wrong, I hope I will not be too proud to admit it.
I was asking if you think that things such as eschatology timing was firmly settles, as we must be all A mil. or a Premil, or holding to a seperate rapture etc. I just do not think anyone of us can say with 100 % certainity how the end times will come to pass...