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Cathode

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easternstar said:
Mur was posting before I joined, and also after. Are you dense?
I said I am unsure of what I believe about the afterlife. I doubt eternal hell, but I lean toward annihilation.
You need to go ahead and apologize because I am not Mur! I take an oath before God that I am not!
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Taking an Oath would not have bothered Mur, he believes all are saved even perjurers.

If you can really prove you aren't Mur, we can all move on.
 
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easternstar

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Cathode said:
Taking an Oath would not have bothered Mur, he believes all are saved even perjurers.

If you can really prove you aren't Mur, we can all move on.
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How can I prove it? I have asked several moderators/admins to help me to prove it. I don't know how to do that.
Actually, I shouldn't have to. Some of you should have to prove to me that you're not total jerks. But I don't believe you can -- I've pretty well made up mind about you, too. But you can all prove me wrong by apologizing.
 
Walter

Walter

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easternstar said:
Mur was posting before I joined, and also after. Are you dense?
I said I am unsure of what I believe about the afterlife. I doubt eternal hell, but I lean toward annihilation.
You need to go ahead and apologize because I am not Mur! I take an oath before God that I am not!
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Mur was banned long before you joined, so you are posting untrue statements. BTW, Mur posted personal attacks just like you are beginning to do.

Can you show us a post by Mur AFTER you joined. If so, I will gladly apologize. I have made mistakes in the past and I am always ready to admit to it.
 
Walter

Walter

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Mur was banned in the beginning of November but Easternstar joined on November 19th, I suspect using a different IP address. I believe he learned from what got him banned before. Mur did not hesitate to post lies. And, I am not talking about theological differences, I am talking about obvious lies about Himself and, of course he turned to vitriol like easternstar is now doing.
 
JonC

JonC

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Cathode said:
Taking an Oath would not have bothered Mur, he believes all are saved even perjurers.

If you can really prove you aren't Mur, we can all move on.
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To be fair, I am not sure you could prove you are not Walter.

The way I see it...I don't care too much. If a member posts inappropriately they are banned...even if its their second go at it.

Normally time sorts it out.
 
Walter

Walter

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JonC said:
To be fair, I am not sure you could prove you are not Walter.

The way I see it...I don't care too much. If a member posts inappropriately they are banned...even if its their second go at it.

Normally time sorts it out.
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You are correct. Over the years we have watched multiple banned members reappear using a different name and IP address. They eventually are exposed.

I know, despite his claims, that easternstar wasn't a member before Mur was banned and he seems to have similar focus. He has made several conflicting claims and seems to know that what Mur was banned for.

I agree, time will tell and I personally am already seeing the 'Mur' behavior manifest itself. We will see.
 
atpollard

atpollard

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easternstar said:
Anyway, don't most Christians have only head knowledge of spiritual truths?
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Returning to the OP …

No. First, anyone with “only head knowledge” has what demons have (according to James) and are NOT Christians.

Second point, God still reveals himself, so there are some who have what you called “first hand knowledge” … however, this is not as valuable as you seem to think since FALSE first hand knowledge is just as real to the individual as TRUEE first hand knowledge (remember the warnings about testing spirits and masquerading as spirits of light).

Third point, the apostolic letter writers contain an important piece of information that will allow any Christian to “self examine” without need of special revelation: we are changed. The transformation wrought by TRUE SALVATION is the evidence of the “spiritual truths”. That which does not prevent God transforming your heart is not an “essential” and any false “essential” will prevent a genuine salvation.
 
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Cathode

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JonC said:
To be fair, I am not sure you could prove you are not Walter.

The way I see it...I don't care too much. If a member posts inappropriately they are banned...even if its their second go at it.

Normally time sorts it out.
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Now you're confusing me mate. What if I was Walter all this time and I didn't even know it?
 
Walter

Walter

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easternstar said:
Mur was posting before I joined, and also after. Are you dense?
I said I am unsure of what I believe about the afterlife. I doubt eternal hell, but I lean toward annihilation.
You need to go ahead and apologize because I am not Mur! I take an oath before God that I am not!
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You said 'Mur was posting before I joined and AFTER'. That's a blatant LIE! Mur was banned weeks before you joined.
 
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easternstar

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Walter said:
Mur was banned in the beginning of November but Easternstar joined on November 19th, I suspect using a different IP address. I believe he learned from what got him banned before. Mur did not hesitate to post lies. And, I am not talking about theological differences, I am talking about obvious lies about Himself and, of course he turned to vitriol like easternstar is now doing.
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I am not Mur. God knows I am telling the truth, and I believe JonC does, too. I don't know how to prove it. But if it ever does get proven, I'll be expecting an apology from some here.
Oh, and I have no clue about how to use a different IP address. I'm not that computer proficient.
 
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easternstar

Active Member
Walter said:
You are correct. Over the years we have watched multiple banned members reappear using a different name and IP address. They eventually are exposed.

I know, despite his claims, that easternstar wasn't a member before Mur was banned and he seems to have similar focus. He has made several conflicting claims and seems to know that what Mur was banned for.

I agree, time will tell and I personally am already seeing the 'Mur' behavior manifest itself. We will see.
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Yes, indeed, hopefully we shall see. And I expect a very public apology.
 
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easternstar

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I don't know why this bothers me so much, as all of you are anonymous strangers on a forum. But truth matters very much to me, regardless of the circumstances.
 
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easternstar

Active Member
atpollard said:
Returning to the OP …

No. First, anyone with “only head knowledge” has what demons have (according to James) and are NOT Christians.

Second point, God still reveals himself, so there are some who have what you called “first hand knowledge” … however, this is not as valuable as you seem to think since FALSE first hand knowledge is just as real to the individual as TRUEE first hand knowledge (remember the warnings about testing spirits and masquerading as spirits of light).

Third point, the apostolic letter writers contain an important piece of information that will allow any Christian to “self examine” without need of special revelation: we are changed. The transformation wrought by TRUE SALVATION is the evidence of the “spiritual truths”. That which does not prevent God transforming your heart is not an “essential” and any false “essential” will prevent a genuine salvation.
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Thank you for addressing the original topic. Your post was very good, with valid points. I appreciate your reply.
 
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