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[Adonia]

Can anyone show us any other LEGITIMATE authority for faith/worship besides Scripture ? (I don't consider the pronouncements of other men as 'legitimate' worship authorities.)

Then you must now believe maintain that your Pastor has no authority, so you should not be listening to or believing his interpretation of a particular scripture passage on any given Sunday. Glad we now have that straightened out!

 

[atpollard]

Where in Scripture does it say Scripture prohibits or inhibits recognizing the hand of God to what is written in it? Do we only see Christ through the eyes of the first century man?

JoeT

... or do we accept the Book of Mormon as new divine revelation, along side the writings of Ellen G White and the Roman Catholic Priests currently advocating Mary as Co-redemptrix?

I will stick with the words of the Apostles and the books of the First Century Church as the yardstick for measuring post-Apostolic "revelations" and teachings.

 

[Adonia]

and the Roman Catholic Priests currently advocating Mary as Co-redemptrix?

So, are you maintaining that Mother Mary DID NOT have a part in the redemptive process? While I don't like the word "Co-redemptrix", all the Church is really trying to say is that she had a vital part in the salvation narrative. Without her there is no Jesus, right?

 

[Revmitchell]

So, are you maintaining that Mother Mary DID NOT have a part in the redemptive process? While I don't like the word "Co-redemptrix", all the Church is really trying to say is that she had a vital part in the salvation narrative. Without her there is no Jesus, right?

Sorry we do not believe that is all the church is trying to say. Calling her co-redemptrix defines it and that does not mean what you say it does

 

[church mouse guy]

That was stuff done by certain individuals within the church, nonetheless the Church today has repented from those actions, it has apologized and asked forgiveness for those terrible things that were done long ago.

As for doctrines that "cannot be found explicitly or implicitly in scripture", that is just your opinion that such a thing cannot be. The Early Church Fathers and the many theologians throughout the centuries disagree with your newfound" truth".

You are now on the verge of believing what various men have come up with, starting somewhere in the 15th century, with a man like the first Baptist John Smyth not coming on the scene until the 17th century no less.

So what you are actually saying is that everyone including every doctrine, every theologian, every Bishop was wrong until the 15th century onward? Yeah, right.

The anathemas against the Protestants have never been rescinded. The RCC has many customs and traditions over the centuries. Now Pope Francis, convinced of climate change, is calling those who disagree with him on the nature of the problem as guilty of ecological sin, as you know.. The liberals have taken charge of the RCC and the college of cardinals is now majority appointed by Francis as those who reach 80 are disfranchised. Not only does Francis want the death penalty abolished for murder but he also wants life sentences abolished. He thinks that capitalism is wrong and that people should not have cars and air conditioners. He seeks to normalize homosexu@lity. The American bishops are 100% behind Frances and so are the cardinals in America as far as I know.

 

[church mouse guy]

So, are you maintaining that Mother Mary DID NOT have a part in the redemptive process? While I don't like the word "Co-redemptrix", all the Church is really trying to say is that she had a vital part in the salvation narrative. Without her there is no Jesus, right?

If not Mary, then some other Jewish woman. Mary had nothing to do with Salvation. What do you say about this verse:

Matthew 12:50 (KJV) For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

 

[Deadworm]

Winston Churchill aptly and wittily defined "fanatic" as "someone who won't change his mind and won't change the subject." The subject of this thread is "Sola Scriptura," but the Baptists here have evaded this subject to pursue their Catholic bashing with mischaracterizations of Catholic doctrines. The best way out of this ugly scene is to point out examples of Baptists unwittingly relying on Catholic tradition in a way that contradicts their Sola Scriptura pretensions. I will document just such inconsistencies in my next 2 planned posts.

 

[atpollard]

So, are you maintaining that Mother Mary DID NOT have a part in the redemptive process? While I don't like the word "Co-redemptrix", all the Church is really trying to say is that she had a vital part in the salvation narrative. Without her there is no Jesus, right?

Will you acknowledge that more Catholics offer their prayers to, and place their trust in "The Blessed Mother" than "Jesus Christ"?

It may not be the "official position" of the RCC, but it is the reality among far too many of the "rank and file" Catholics. It was the issue that prevented me from joining the RCC church when first saved, even after taking the Catechism class and speaking with the Priest. I could not honestly affirm all that you hold "true and essential" that I could not locate in the word of God and some of which Scripture directly contradicts (to a layman reading what God said and trying to know HIM).

Co-redemptrix is about further elevating Mary (a human being) and through her symbolically elevating the RCC Church at the expense of the GLORY that belongs to the Father, Son and Spirit for their monergistic foreknowledge, predestination, drawing, justification, sanctification and glorification. God did not NEED Mary, He chose to use her. God does not NEED the church, He chooses to work through the church. The CHURCH is the body of Christ, all of the MEMBERS joined by the Holy Spirit, and has only one head ... Our Lord Jesus Christ. God does not NEED the Pope or RC Cardinals or Bishops or Protestant Pastors, He simply chooses to use them just as God chooses to use ALL of the members of His Body. Those whom GOD foreknew and GOD died and GOD drew and whom GOD will glorify are His Body.

Soli Deo Gloria!

 

[Rob_BW]

So, are you maintaining that Mother Mary DID NOT have a part in the redemptive process? While I don't like the word "Co-redemptrix", all the Church is really trying to say is that she had a vital part in the salvation narrative. Without her there is no Jesus, right?

Are Adam, Abraham, David, and every other member of Jesus' earthly lineage co-redempt-persons also?

I say no. Jesus is my redeemer. No one esle. While birthing and raising the Messiah is certainly a singular event in the history of motherhood, Mary was just as fully human as the rest of us. No need for elevation. Her own salvation comes from Jesus dying for her sins, not the miracle of the virgin birth.

 

[Rob_BW]

Winston Churchill aptly and wittily defined "fanatic" as "someone who won't change his mind and won't change the subject." The subject of this thread is "Sola Scriptura," but the Baptists here have evaded this subject to pursue their Catholic bashing with mischaracterizations of Catholic doctrines. The best way out of this ugly scene is to point out examples of Baptists unwittingly relying on Catholic tradition in a way that contradicts their Sola Scriptura pretensions. I will document just such inconsistencies in my next 2 planned posts.

Lol, your argument is illogical.

"You should respect us because we gave you the Bible. Now ignore the Bible and follow our traditions."

 

[church mouse guy]

Winston Churchill aptly and wittily defined "fanatic" as "someone who won't change his mind and won't change the subject." The subject of this thread is "Sola Scriptura," but the Baptists here have evaded this subject to pursue their Catholic bashing with mischaracterizations of Catholic doctrines. The best way out of this ugly scene is to point out examples of Baptists unwittingly relying on Catholic tradition in a way that contradicts their Sola Scriptura pretensions. I will document just such inconsistencies in my next 2 planned posts.

No one thinks that the RCC established the canon.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

As this thread has gone off into the ditch, it is closed.