I believe we've debunked preterism.

[robycop3]

I strongly recommend that you read at least the postmil & amil sections of "Four views on the millennium" on the blueletterbible.org

It's the understanding - the present Gospel age is the thousand years of Rev. 20 - I've had in many discussions in the last 60 years. I suggest you cease your own "literal" definition of amil & postmil & use the accepted terminology.

That's simply not true. Satan is most certainly not confined, as is evident from the prevalence of sin. Jesus is NOT presently ruling the world from Jerusalem. The average man doesn't live nearly as long as the average tree. And the wolf does not lie down peacefully with the lamb.

 

[robycop3]

You are wrong on what Amillennialism is and Post Millennialism, thats plain and simple.

I read the books on people that support it, and people that support Post Millennium, everyone is wrong besides you?

A Case for Amillennialism: Understanding the End Times Kim Riddlebarger
Amillennarians believe that the millennium of Christ's heavenly reign is a present reality, not a future hope to come after his return.

Amillennialism (Greek: a- "no" + millennialism) is the view in Christian eschatology which states that Christ is presently reigning through the Church, and that the "1000 years" of Revelation 20:1-6 is a metaphorical reference to the present church age which will culminate in Christ's return. It stands in contrast to premillennialism, which states that Christ will return prior to a literal 1000 year earthly reign; and postmillennialism, which states that Christ's return will follow a 1000 year golden age ushered in by the church.


http://www.theopedia.com/amillennialism


Now, in City of God, Augustine viewed the thousand years of Revelation 20 not as some special future time but "the period beginning with Christ's first coming," that is, the age of the Christian church. Throughout this age, the saints reign with Christ—not in the fullness of the coming kingdom prepared for those blessed by God the Father, but "in some other and far inferior way."

Amillennialism: Millennium Today


Amillennialism alters the timeline of the end times to fit these two views. Christ's kingdom was established at His resurrection. The "first resurrection" (Revelation 20:4-6) does not refer to the physical resurrection of the saints, as premillennialism teaches, but to a spiritual resurrection, that is, the point in history when the Holy Spirit became available to dwell in the hearts of the believers. The "kingdom," then, is a kingdom in spirit only and lasts until Jesus' second coming. The second coming is concurrent with the rapture of the believers. Everyone will be judged, and then the second resurrection will return physical bodies to souls. The eternal state will immediately follow.
amillennialism.html



That is correct, No millennium, no earthly reign. Its symbolically now!

We have shown that the "symbolism" rxcuse is horse feathers.

 

[prophecy70]

Well, actually, he's speaking of PRETERISTS, who deny Jesus is physically returning to take over the rule of the world.

Haha how was he talking to preterists when there wasn't any?

 

[prophecy70]

That's simply not true. Satan is most certainly not confined, as is evident from the prevalence of sin. Jesus is NOT presently ruling the world from Jerusalem. The average man doesn't live nearly as long as the average tree. And the wolf does not lie down peacefully with the lamb.

Haha Isaiah 11 is not about the millennium.

 

[Covenanter]

Haha Isaiah 11 is not about the millennium.

In a way it is - beginning with Jesus incarnation & saving work, The resurrection, ascension, & heavenly reign of Christ, including the call of the Gentiles in the present (a)millennium, & looking forward to the glorious NH&NE when perfect peace will reign in the both the human & the animal kingdom.

 

[prophecy70]

In a way it is - beginning with Jesus incarnation & saving work, The resurrection, ascension, & heavenly reign of Christ, including the call of the Gentiles in the present (a)millennium, & looking forward to the glorious NH&NE when perfect peace will reign in the both the human & the animal kingdom.

I'll look into it more. If I recall some debater I heard had it fulfilled.

 

[John of Japan]

You are wrong on what Amillennialism is and Post Millennialism, thats plain and simple.

I read the books on people that support it, and people that support Post Millennium, everyone is wrong besides you?

You're not paying attention. I quoted the leading Baptist systematic theologian, and did not take it upon myself to give my own definition.

And once again you are being insulting. What is this, "everyone is wrong besides you" thing, if not an insult. I suppose you just can't help it, though you told me you don't mean to insult. It's part of your sinful nature that you haven't let the Spirit control yet.

And before you say I have insulted asterisktom, I have not attacked him or his character personally. Everything I have written to him has been about his execrable doctrine of full preterism, which attacks the very nature of Jesus Christ.

Amillennialism (Greek: a- "no" + millennialism) is the view in Christian eschatology which states that Christ is presently reigning through the Church, and that the "1000 years" of Revelation 20:1-6 is a metaphorical reference to the present church age which will culminate in Christ's return. It stands in contrast to premillennialism, which states that Christ will return prior to a literal 1000 year earthly reign; and postmillennialism, which states that Christ's return will follow a 1000 year golden age ushered in by the church.

I agree with this. That's not the point. The point is that Covenanter said we are now in the millennium, not that the millennium is a metaphor for the present kingdom of Christ.

That is correct, No millennium, no earthly reign. Its symbolically now!

Exactly right. But you are not paying attention. I said that Covenanter was taking a postmil position because he said that we are now in the Millennium, not that he believed Christ reigned through the church.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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