No. Folks are going to Hell because they are sinners. It's the default setting for humanity.
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No. Folks are going to Hell because they are sinners. It's the default setting for humanity.
Paul Washer said they were going to hell because of the prayer to ask Jesus in their hearts.
Nicolaus Mourer
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That sounds like something Washer would say.
Apparently God is sovereign right up until someone prays that prayer.
Each person in Hell has chosen to go there!
According to your theology they didnt have any other choice
they freely rejected Jesus to save them from their sins!
They arent given any other option. No grace is offered to open their heart to God. Saying they freely reject Him is misleading if one goes by your theology.
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So your choice is stronger than God's foreknowledge?... You who believe in election, just negated it... Well, I don't believe in a remnant Salvation, Sovereign Grace NEVER does, I believe in a multitude... Brother Glen
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
Its definitely not a silly thread. It is a stupid thread.
The Complete Works of C. H. Spurgeon, Volume 40: Sermons
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"Whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely"
"Him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out."
Spurgeon: "The bolt to the door is on the inside; it is you who have bolted it, and it is you who must undo the bolt, and invite the Savior to enter your heart. He is willing enough to come in; wherever there is a soul that wants Him, He comes at once; therefore, do not raise any quibbling questions about whether a sinner may come to Christ, or may not come. Is he not bidden to come? We are told to preach the gospel to every creature...our great commission"
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"Whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely"
"Him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out."
Spurgeon: "The bolt to the door is on the inside; it is you who have bolted it, and it is you who must undo the bolt, and invite the Savior to enter your heart. He is willing enough to come in; wherever there is a soul that wants Him, He comes at once; therefore, do not raise any quibbling questions about whether a sinner may come to Christ, or may not come. Is he not bidden to come? We are told to preach the gospel to every creature...our great commission"
Are all lost sinners owned saving grace for God to be fair?
God election/Predestinates His own, but bypasses the others to have them get what they desire in end! Away from GodSo your choice is stronger than God's foreknowledge?... You who believe in election, just negated it... Well, I don't believe in a remnant Salvation, Sovereign Grace NEVER does, I believe in a multitude... Brother Glen
Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Revelation 7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
7:10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.
That is a much different topic my friend. Whether or not we are owed grace (and we are not lest it would no longer be grace) has nothing to do with the list choosing freely. If there are not more then one option then there is no free choice.
Noah Hirsch
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Noah Hirsch
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Ezekiel 3:16-21, 33:1-9, Acts 20:18-27
False teachers are not Christians is a false statement. If you are a Calvinist, you think Arminians teach falsehoods, and vice versa.
I believe God chose to use born anew believers to be His ambassadors, carrying out the ministry of reconciliation. To the extent we fail to give the Lord our due diligence, we hinder His ministry, and we fail to "hasten the day" of His return, resulting in more people being consigned to Hades and Gehenna. Our rewards for being effective in the ministry results in us entering heaven abundantly, rather than as one escaping from a fire. False teachers hindered people seeking God according to Matthew 23:13.
Is this a stupid or silly thread? Not actually. The OP authors point was that false teachers do not hinder the ministry of Christ, based on Calvinist dogma. That view is of course a false teaching which hinders the ministry of Christ. Our lack of diligence delays the second coming, and that increases the number of the lost consigned to Hades/Gehenna due to unbelief. (Matthew 24:14)
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