I do not permit a woman to teach...

[Reynolds]

> A Pentecostal I can understand but can a married man really have a woman as a best friend?

>> My parent's church had a fully female pastoral staff. I thought it odd when visiting but I still added notes to my Bible from the sermons.

Rob

I am 50 she is 75. She was like a mother to me when I was growing up. We don't ever meet in private. Her husband, my wife, her sister, etc is always around.

 

[JesusFan]

I am 50 she is 75. She was like a mother to me when I was growing up. We don't ever meet in private. Her husband, my wife, her sister, etc is always around.

That to me would be like when Debra rebuked the general who refused to step up and accept and do Gods will, and she was forced to step in to take up the slack, but God always would have Male pastors and elders in local churches as His established and preferred choices

 

[Craigbythesea]

William Webb defined four positions on the role of women within the church:

1) Hard/strong patriarchy—unilateral submission of women with an extensive power differential;
2) Soft patriarchy—unilateral submission of women with a moderate power differential;
3) Evangelical egalitarianism—mutual submission with equality of power between male and female; and
4) Secular egalitarianism—equal rights and no gender-defined roles.
Webb, William. Slaves, Women, and Homosexuality: Exploring the Hermeneutics of Cultural Analysis (Downers Grove: InterVarsity Press, 2001). pp. 26-28.

Stepping away from this divisional paradigm, here is a position similar to what we see in some Baptist churches today.

“For Paul, the head is also the source of unity, but only as the head acts in a manner that is very unheadlike, by not exerting power or privileges but rather doing the opposite.
This is the crucial element of the “reversal.” The point is that it is the head, not any other member of the body, that is acting in this way. The husband, like Christ, accomplishes his purpose by acting in a paradoxical kingdom way. Yet he must first be the head in order for his actions to be effective. Thus he leads and provides, but not as the one with privileges associated with the honored position, as would traditionally be the case. As with Christ, the head/husband sacrifices rather than expecting sacrifice from the other. As the head, he fulfills his duty through the application of kingdom values rather than exercising his worldly rights.”
Lee-Barnewall, Michelle. Neither Complementarian nor Egalitarian. 2016. Baker Academic. Grand Rapids, MI. p. 162.

Complementarianism and egalitarianism are the two opposing views of the proper roles of men and women in the church and society. William D. Mounce (WBC series), Philip H. Towner (NICNT series), I. Howard Marshall (ICC series), and George W. Knight, III (NIGTC series) (among many other scholars) have written excellent commentaries on the Pastoral Epistles. Towner and Marshall write from an egalitarian perspective; Mounce and Knight write from a complementarian perspective.

 

[Deacon]

"Of making many books there is no end, ..."

I'm throughly enjoying my time in retirement! So much more time to read.
The church I'm attending recently asked me to work with them to organize their library.
After last years' infirmity, I'm happy to finally find a way I might serve.


This is my bibliography for 1 Timothy from the books in my personal library.

Barr, Beth Allison. 2021. The Making of Biblical Womanhood: How the Subjugation of Women Became Gospel Truth. Grand Rapids, MI: Brazos Press.

Belleville, Linda. 2009. Cornerstone Biblical Commentary: 1 Timothy, 2 Timothy, Titus, and Hebrews. Vol. 17. Carol Stream, IL: Tyndale House Publishers.

Belleville, Linda L. 2000. Women Leaders and the Church: 3 Crucial Questions. edited by Grant R. Osborne and Richard J. Jones, Jr. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Books.

Davies, Margaret. 1996. The Pastoral Epistles. Sheffield: Sheffield Academic Press.

Keener, Craig S. 1991. …And Marries Another: Divorce and Remarriage in the Teaching of the New Testament. Peabody, Massachusetts: Hendrickson Publishers, Inc.

Keener, Craig S. 1992. Paul, Women & Wives: Marriage and Women’s Ministry in the Letters of Paul. Peabody, Massachusetts: Hendrickson Publishers, Inc.

Knight, George W. 1992. The Pastoral Epistles: A Commentary on the Greek Text. New International Greek Testament Commentary. Grand Rapids, MI; Carlisle, England: W.B. Eerdmans; Paternoster Press.

Köstenberger, Andreas J., and Thomas R. Schreiner, eds. 2016. Women in the Church: An Interpretation and Application of 1 Timothy 2:9–15. Third Edition. Wheaton, IL: Crossway.

Köstenberger, Andreas J. 2021. 1-2 Timothy & Titus. Edited by T. Desmond Alexander, Thomas R. Schreiner, and Andreas J. Köstenberger. Evangelical Biblical Theology Commentary. Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press.

Lee-Barnewall, Michelle. 2016. Neither Complementarian nor Egalitarian; A Kingdom Corrective to the Evangelical Gender Debate. with foreword by Craig L. Blomberg; and an afterword by Lynn H. Cohick. Grand Rapids, MI: Baker Academic.

Lock, Walter. 1924. A Critical and Exegetical Commentary on the Pastoral Epistles (I & II Timothy and Titus). International Critical Commentary. Edinburgh: T&T Clark.

Marshall, I. Howard, and Philip H. Towner. 2004. A Critical and Exegetical Commentary on the Pastoral Epistles. International Critical Commentary. London; New York: T&T Clark International.

Mounce, William D. 2000. Pastoral Epistles. Vol. 46. Word Biblical Commentary. Dallas: Word, Incorporated.

Quinn, Jerome D. 2008. The Letter to Titus: A New Translation with Notes and Commentary and An Introduction to Titus, I and II Timothy, The Pastoral Epistles. Vol. 35. Anchor Yale Bible. New Haven; London: Yale University Press.

Towner, Philip H. 2006. The Letters to Timothy and Titus. The New International Commentary on the New Testament. Grand Rapids, MI: Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Co.

Trible, Phyllis. 1978. God and the Rhetoric of Sexuality. Overtures to Biblical Theology. Philadelphia, Pennsylvania: Fortress Press.

Yarbrough, Robert W. 2018. The Letters to Timothy and Titus. Edited by D. A. Carson. Pillar New Testament Commentary. Grand Rapids, MI; London: William B. Eerdmans Publishing Company; Apollos.

 

[Craigbythesea]

Marshall, I. Howard, and Philip H. Towner. 2004. A Critical and Exegetical Commentary on the Pastoral Epistles. International Critical Commentary. London; New York: T&T Clark International.

? Marshall contributed his commentary in the ICC series in 1999. Towner contributed his commentary in the NICNT series in 2006. However, I do find a few references to such a book. Do you actually own this book?

 

[Deacon]

It's available on Logos Bible Software. The volume was published in 1999; Logos digitalized a 2004 reprint and released it in 2005.

The Pastoral Epistles (International Critical Commentary | ICC) [link]​

 

[atpollard]

The ban on women teaching cannot be universal (all women at all times and all situations and all things) since the same Bible COMMANDS: “Older women likewise are to be reverent in behavior, not slanderers or slaves to much wine. They are to teach what is good, and so train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled.” - Titus 2:3-5 [ESV]

For me, personally, I have settled in on a refusal (as a man) to submit to female leadership authority [Pastor, Elder, Deacon … depending on the local church structure] and a healthy Berean skepticism of any information coming from a female Teacher (Trust but Verify).

 

[Craigbythesea]

It's available on Logos Bible Software. The volume was published in 1999; Logos digitalized a 2004 reprint and released it in 2005.

The Pastoral Epistles (International Critical Commentary | ICC) [link]​

No, it is not! The volume on the Pastoral Epistles published in the ICC series in 1999 was written by Marshall with no input by Towner as is made expressly clear in the print copy and even in the preface in the Logos copy. This is one of the many errors in the Logos Bible Software that make it unsuitable for serious study. Moreover, their advertising of their software is characterized by blatantly false statements about the print editions that they have digitalized—especially their claims to the effect that the print editions are difficult to find.

 

[Deacon]

THE PASTORAL EPISTLES
BY
I. HOWARD MARSHALL
Professor of New Testament Exegesis, University of Aberdeen

IN COLLABORATION WITH
PHILIP H. TOWNER
Translation Consultant, United Bible Societies Adjunct Professor of New Testament, Regent College, Vancouver
​

From the Preface

My chief debt in the writing of the volume is to Dr Philip H. Towner, who completed his doctoral thesis on the theology and ethics of the Pastoral Epistles in Aberdeen. Subsequently he was appointed as a Research Fellow in New Testament in the University of Aberdeen with the specific task of collaborating in the writing of this commentary. In addition to reading critically through the whole of the material and correcting the proofs, he was also responsible for drafting a substantial portion of the text, including parts of the exegesis and also several of the excursuses; in doing so he was able to contribute much from his own research, the fruits of which will be seen more fully in his own forthcoming commentary on the letters in the New International Commentary. Without the stimulus of his cooperation I do not know whether I would ever have reached the end of the project.

Both Dr Towner and myself belong to what may be called the more conservative side of New Testament criticism. We were reared on the Pauline authorship (whether directly or indirectly) of the Pastoral Epistles, and in this connection we remember with affection and respect the name of Donald Guthrie who was not afraid to argue against the growing consensus in scholarship.


Marshall, I. Howard, and Philip H. Towner. 2004. A Critical and Exegetical Commentary on the Pastoral Epistles. International Critical Commentary. London; New York: T&T Clark International. p. xiii.

Re: availability and difficulty finding print copies - in the ever expanding world of the internet, searches are becoming exceedingly easy. Even so, a single, first edition copy is available on AbeBooks for $149.45.

 

[Craigbythesea]

THE PASTORAL EPISTLES
BY
I. HOWARD MARSHALL
Professor of New Testament Exegesis, University of Aberdeen

IN COLLABORATION WITH
PHILIP H. TOWNER
Translation Consultant, United Bible Societies Adjunct Professor of New Testament, Regent College, Vancouver
​

From the Preface

My chief debt in the writing of the volume is to Dr Philip H. Towner, who completed his doctoral thesis on the theology and ethics of the Pastoral Epistles in Aberdeen. Subsequently he was appointed as a Research Fellow in New Testament in the University of Aberdeen with the specific task of collaborating in the writing of this commentary. In addition to reading critically through the whole of the material and correcting the proofs, he was also responsible for drafting a substantial portion of the text, including parts of the exegesis and also several of the excursuses; in doing so he was able to contribute much from his own research, the fruits of which will be seen more fully in his own forthcoming commentary on the letters in the New International Commentary. Without the stimulus of his cooperation I do not know whether I would ever have reached the end of the project.

Both Dr Towner and myself belong to what may be called the more conservative side of New Testament criticism. We were reared on the Pauline authorship (whether directly or indirectly) of the Pastoral Epistles, and in this connection we remember with affection and respect the name of Donald Guthrie who was not afraid to argue against the growing consensus in scholarship.


Marshall, I. Howard, and Philip H. Towner. 2004. A Critical and Exegetical Commentary on the Pastoral Epistles. International Critical Commentary. London; New York: T&T Clark International. p. xiii.

Re: availability and difficulty finding print copies - in the ever expanding world of the internet, searches are becoming exceedingly easy. Even so, a single, first edition copy is available on AbeBooks for $149.45.

First of all, I need to say that my statement, “The volume on the Pastoral Epistles published in the ICC series in 1999 was written by Marshall with no input by Towner as is made expressly clear in the print copy and even in the preface in the Logos copy” was incorrect. However, I made this incorrect statement based upon four facts,

(1) The publisher, Bloomsbury Publishing, does not name Towner as an author of the book but as a “collaborator.”

(2) Towner’s name does not appear on the front cover or the spine of either the book or the dust jacket.

(3) In the “Overview” of the book provided by Logos Bible Software, there is no mention of a second author or even a collaborator—not even Towner’s name!

Overview​

This addition to the ICC series is an introduction to the Epistles to Timothy and Titus, treating their structure, origin and character, followed by a detailed investigation of the texts. Professor Marshall concludes that the composition is not as unstructured as some commentators have suggested, but rather is carefully conceived. Each section of the Epistles is discussed on the basis of the Greek text. Scholars and students will find the commentary particularly helpful with its lexical information on the Greek words and its careful discussion of the syntactical problems. This is a fresh and comprehensive commentary on the Pastoral Epistles from a scholar of international renown.

(4) A correct bibliographical entry for this book would not include Towner’s name as an author of the book; and of course, this was the practice in the commentaries on the Pastoral Epistles by Towner and Knight.

This experience has taught me to be more careful in my studies, and to have greater respect for you and what you say in your posts.

 

[Deacon]

There was no intent to cause a problem, I just listed the books I referenced. Actually I didn’t even notice Towner’s contribution, everyone simply attributes the volume to Marshall.

If I remember correctly, around the time this volume was published there were respected scholars that became entangled in a plagiarism scandal. Some books were withdrawn, strict standards were reinforced.

Rob