I have changed my mind about Police

[Squire Robertsson]

The hanging of horse thieves was predicated on two factors.

1. Horses were a means of life and living. Stealing a man's horse was many times a death sentence.
2. Courts were many times few and far between. It's called being on the frontier.

Regretfully, the US didn't use the British\Canadian model. The Canadians sent out Mounties to the bleeding edge of their frontier. So, the justice system was able to deal with matters in a more orderly fashion.

Well, seeing you live in Texas, I guess the idea of hanging men accused of horse theft without a trial might sound reasonable.

 

[Reynolds]

And that has absolutely nothing to do with whether we can view our Police Officers as doing a job that is not only dangerous, but as seen in this thread...thankless.

When is the last time you suffered because of the actions of a Police Officer? What reason, right, or obligation do you have to vilify Police Officers as a whole?

I have had Police Officers beat me, and attempt to murder me, but that doesn't mean I disregard the good that many Officers do on a daily basis. Some of it very mundane, like arresting drug dealers, and drunk drivers, but, things that contribute to a safer society for you and I to live in.

And I will leave you guys to your slandering of people you have never met, and can in no way judge the hearts of. Have at it. This should be in the political section, if you ask me. And Moderators, before you waste your time...

...I already know no-one asked me.




God bless.

I have met and worked with many officers. There are more rotton apples in the barrel now than there have ever been. I was talking with a retired trooper a few months ago and he was venting about how unethical the new breed of officers are.

 

[Darrell C]

The hanging of horse thieves was predicated on two factors.

1. Horses were a means of life and living. Stealing a man's horse was many times a death sentence.
2. Courts were many times few and far between. It's called being on the frontier.

Regretfully, the US didn't use the British\Canadian model. The Canadians sent out Mounties to the bleeding edge of their frontier. So, the justice system was able to deal with matters in a more orderly fashion.

That sounds suspiciously like an admission that having a Law Enforcement Officer involved was...a good thing.


God bless.

 

[Darrell C]

I have met and worked with many officers. There are more rotton apples in the barrel now than there have ever been. I was talking with a retired trooper a few months ago and he was venting about how unethical the new breed of officers are.

And that is a conclusion both you fellows make based on what you know, which is compared to what needs to be known.

And there is no way either of you are justified in vilifying Police Officers you have never met. And there is no way you can reasonably conclude your conclusions are just, seeing you know only of a few individuals compared to the vast number of Police officers there actually are.

It is typical for men to think "Things were better back in the day," but the truth is, there is nothing new under the sun. The question is, were there Police Officers looking down their noses at you fellows when you were coming up in the ranks...

The trend to badmouth, slander, Police Officers as a whole is getting out of hand, in my view. This because many, like you, draw their conclusions from a minimal amount of information, which is usually gleaned from, tsk...the Media.

Let me tell you about a Police Officer that was recently killed in my own county: He worked with youth in his spare time, and was active in drug enforcement, and died after being shot in a drug enforcement action.

You guys dishonor men like this, and I view your slander as both faulty and shameless.

And that's it for me in this one, this thread makes me sick like most Political Threads do.


God bless.

 

[TCassidy]

Can you tell me the last time you suffered because of the actions of a Police Officer?

Don't recall ever suffering because of another Peace Officer.

Have you ever once considered that you might just still be alive because an Officer of the Law arrested a drunk driver that was headed down the same street you were on?

I have arrested several hundred. In fact when I was still working Traffic my partner and I won the MADD award 3 years in a row, not bad in a department with 7000 sworn Peace Officers in a community of over 3 million.

And that is a conclusion both you fellows make based on what you know, which is compared to what needs to be known.

Well, I am sure you know more about it than I do. I only wore the silver star for half my life.

And there is no way either of you are justified in vilifying Police Officers you have never met.

I don't recall vilifying Peace Officers. Just pointed out they are people, just like the rest of us.

And there is no way you can reasonably conclude your conclusions are just, seeing you know only of a few individuals compared to the vast number of Police officers there actually are.

Yes, of course. I am sure you know many more Peace Officers than I do.

The trend to badmouth, slander, Police Officers as a whole is getting out of hand, in my view. This because many, like you, draw their conclusions from a minimal amount of information, which is usually gleaned from, tsk...the Media.

First, I did not badmouth or slander anyone. Second I will put my experience up against yours any day of the week. And I never watch, read, or listen to the "media."

Me. Over 30 years ago.

 

[TCassidy]

Well, seeing you live in Texas, I guess the idea of hanging men accused of horse theft without a trial might sound reasonable.

Already dealt with. Justice on a frontier is a lot different than in an organized urban area.

Maybe them cow punchers down your way are like that, but there is more than enough preservation of the peace going on here is the Capitol, Richmond.

Not many cow punchers in Hidalgo County. Mostly agriculture down here. King cotton, citrus, sugar cane.

Maybe you should check into what Police Officers are actually accomplishing before issuing the propaganda of anti-establishment nut cases.

Been there. Done that.

You live in a fantasy world.

No, I live in Hidalgo County Texas.

So then, what say you Texas, that you would "take care of those kind of problems yourself?

If, for some reason, the social order collapsed, yes, we, the people, would be able to maintain order. There are about 60,000 sworn Peace Officers in Texas. But just about every Texan owns a gun, and over 1 million have a License To Carry. Trust me. We would not allow the criminal element to prey on the innocent.

And that is the point: man taking matters into his own hands, and thinking he is effecting Justice.

Peace Officers are men (and women). Courts are men (and women). Who do you think is enforcing the law now?

The Wild West.

Hollywood. Probably not the best place to get your American history.

So, how is the crime rate down there these days? Better, or worse than it was in the past?

About the same as always. Pretty quiet. Of course with every other person you meet on a daily basis carrying a firearm the criminals head north to the big cities. Soft targets are much safer for them.

 

[Reynolds]

And that is a conclusion both you fellows make based on what you know, which is compared to what needs to be known.

And there is no way either of you are justified in vilifying Police Officers you have never met. And there is no way you can reasonably conclude your conclusions are just, seeing you know only of a few individuals compared to the vast number of Police officers there actually are.

It is typical for men to think "Things were better back in the day," but the truth is, there is nothing new under the sun. The question is, were there Police Officers looking down their noses at you fellows when you were coming up in the ranks...

The trend to badmouth, slander, Police Officers as a whole is getting out of hand, in my view. This because many, like you, draw their conclusions from a minimal amount of information, which is usually gleaned from, tsk...the Media.

Let me tell you about a Police Officer that was recently killed in my own county: He worked with youth in his spare time, and was active in drug enforcement, and died after being shot in a drug enforcement action.

You guys dishonor men like this, and I view your slander as both faulty and shameless.

And that's it for me in this one, this thread makes me sick like most Political Threads do.


God bless.

The bad apples are ruining it for the good officers. It would be in police officers best interest to purge the chaff from the profession. The actions of the bad apples are why the public as a whole distrust all. Protect and serve.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Regretfully, that wasn't the system used on the American Frontier. But then, we Americans preferred a weaker central government.

The hanging of horse thieves was predicated on two factors.

1. Horses were a means of life and living. Stealing a man's horse was many times a death sentence.
2. Courts were many times few and far between. It's called being on the frontier.

Regretfully, the US didn't use the British\Canadian model. The Canadians sent out Mounties to the bleeding edge of their frontier. So, the justice system was able to deal with matters in a more orderly fashion.

That sounds suspiciously like an admission that having a Law Enforcement Officer involved was...a good thing.


God bless.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I live in Polk County, Florida and our sheriff is Grady Judd. He is my kind of sheriff.

That guy would not get elected in NJ and NY. Did you see what NY Gov., Cumo is doing with the Tappan Zee Bridge... naming it after his daddy!

 

[Reynolds]

The Ga Tech shooting is a prime example of my mentality shift. A few weeks ago, I would have said "good shoot." I now agree with the liberals. 1. She was well outside 21 ft. 2. She was retreating. 3. Her retreat did not pose an immediate danger to others.
Bad shoot!

 

[SheepWhisperer]

My son was fishing on someone's property with their permission. Unfortunately, they forgot to tell their elderly mother who also lived on the place, and she called the Sheriff's department. So my son's down at this body of water and two sheriff's deputies accosted him. One was running toward him, weapon drawn, and pointed at his chest saying "drop the FISHING POLE". They then arrested him, handcuffed him in the back of their cruiser until a call to the owner confirmed that he had permission. But, as they were preparing to uncuff him and let him go, one of them said, no, let's leave him cuffed and make him go appolgize to the old lady, which they did. When I heard about this, and contacted the Sheriff's department, they lied about the weapon being pointed at my son, lied about leaving him cuffed, and threatened to arrest him again. I also talked with the sheriff about this but he backed up his officver with some lame excuse about his officers being in "lizard mode". It certainly left a bad taste in my mouth after this. My son was never charged for anything. When election time came back around that sheriff didn't get my vote again. I had voted for him the first time.

 

[Reynolds]

My son was fishing on someone's property with their permission. Unfortunately, they forgot to tell their elderly mother who also lived on the place, and she called the Sheriff's department. So my son's down at this body of water and two sheriff's deputies accosted him. One was running toward him, weapon drawn, and pointed at his chest saying "drop the FISHING POLE". They then arrested him, handcuffed him in the back of their cruiser until a call to the owner confirmed that he had permission. But, as they were preparing to uncuff him and let him go, one of them said, no, let's leave him cuffed and make him go appolgize to the old lady, which they did. When I heard about this, and contacted the Sheriff's department, they lied about the weapon being pointed at my son, lied about leaving him cuffed, and threatened to arrest him again. I also talked with the sheriff about this but he backed up his officver with some lame excuse about his officers being in "lizard mode". It certainly left a bad taste in my mouth after this. My son was never charged for anything. When election time came back around that sheriff didn't get my vote again. I had voted for him the first time.

Junk like that is why there is zero trust or respect for L.E. in the USA. I now view them as 99% nuisance and 1% servant. I think for most of them the servant is reluctant. They thrive off annoying people. I actually had an instructor teach us how to make people nutt up just so there would be grounds for an obstruction arrest. I saw it happen time and again. I am glad I retired.

 

[SheepWhisperer]

And the MORAL decision right here, would have been to put a 9mm or .40 slug in this dog's spine and end this immediately instead of letting the thing continue biting while ordering the man not to move. It was the officer's fault that he failed to control his dog and THEIR responsibility that this dog wasn't sufficiently trained to let go on command.

. But today, our society, including police officers, puts more value in the life of a dog than on another human being. I dont care what this guy had done: as you can see he had already surrendered peacefully and was no threat whatsoever during this encounter.

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[Reynolds]

And the MORAL decision right here, would have been to put a 9mm or .40 slug in this dog's spine and end this immediately instead of letting the thing continue biting while ordering the man not to move. It was the officer's fault that he failed to control his dog and THEIR responsibility that this dog wasn't sufficiently trained to let go on command.

. But today, our society, including police officers, puts more value in the life of a dog than on another human being. I dont care what this guy had done: as you can see he had already surrendered peacefully and was no threat whatsoever during this encounter.

.

Truth be known they probably laughed about it once they turned off the cameras.

 

[SheepWhisperer]

I bet they quit laughing when the lawsuit was filed.

 

[Reynolds]

I bet they quit laughing when the lawsuit was filed.

Hopefully.

 

[SheepWhisperer]

The brother was right; we are to be subject to the higher powers because they are ordained of God. . But at the same time we are also supposed to reprove the evil works of darkness.

 

[agedman]

I would like to add that when one is "taken into custody" the authorities are then to protect that person as their own child would be and to care for the livelihood

There would have been no Bonnie and Clyde had he not been physically - s..ually assualted by the very ones charged with his custodial care. He was there for steeling a few chickens.

For some authorities, turning an offender loose in prison to be abused is justified.

Really?

Abuse of power should never be tolerated, and doing nothing to stop abuse when one is dutifully sworn to serve in a institution in which others are "put in custody" is an abuse of power.

Prison life should not be a place where abuse is tolerated from anyone.

In fact I am not certain that prison and incarceration is even biblical.

 

[robycop3]

As a former cop, I know the system well as it was some 35 years ago. I was an "Oakland Rider" kind of cop, a bully, & sometimes the "mechanic" who "tuned up" some suspects. I THOUGHT I was doing right by doing whatever it took to put away a punk we all knew was a criminal. However, I came to realize MY acts were as unlawful as THEIRS; only of a different tyoe.

After I was saved, I resigned as a cop, as I saw I couldn't really be an effective cop and an effective Christian at the same time. (I fully realize there are many great Christian cops, but apparently God had other plans for me.)

A prevalent thought, espacially among big-city cops is that there are 2 kinds of people in their bailiwick - Fuzz and Scuzz. They tend to look at everyone else as a potential suspect.

I believe the whole police training curriculum could stand a major-league overhaul!

 

[Reynolds]

As a former cop, I know the system well as it was some 35 years ago. I was an "Oakland Rider" kind of cop, a bully, & sometimes the "mechanic" who "tuned up" some suspects. I THOUGHT I was doing right by doing whatever it took to put away a punk we all knew was a criminal. However, I came to realize MY acts were as unlawful as THEIRS; only of a different tyoe.

After I was saved, I resigned as a cop, as I saw I couldn't really be an effective cop and an effective Christian at the same time. (I fully realize there are many great Christian cops, but apparently God had other plans for me.)

A prevalent thought, espacially among big-city cops is that there are 2 kinds of people in their bailiwick - Fuzz and Scuzz. They tend to look at everyone else as a potential suspect.

I believe the whole police training curriculum could stand a major-league overhaul!

Been a long time since I heard fuzz vs scuzz. Definitely a prevailing attitude in most departments.