I Have To Conclude.....

[TCassidy]

Christ states that he spits them out of his mouth. I would think that I'm in trouble if my lord spits me out.....regurgitates me as an unpalatable, unacceptable thing that makes him gag.

So, do you equate being vomited out of Christ's mouth with losing salvation? If so on what basis?

Is it possible Revelation 3:16 is analogical? And was He addressing all Christians of every age or was He addressing only the church at Laodicea, and/or does the church at Laodicea illustrate an historic recapitulation and thus is indicative of most churches during the "Laodicean period" of ecclesiastical history?

And if so what other characteristics does that/those church(s) exhibit that might explain Christ vomiting?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

So, do you equate being vomited out of Christ's mouth with losing salvation? If so on what basis?

BM yes.....vomit not so sure.

Is it possible Revelation 3:16 is analogical? And was He addressing all Christians of every age or was He addressing only the church at Laodicea, and/or does the church at Laodicea illustrate an historic recapitulation and thus is indicative of most churches during the "Laodicean period" of ecclesiastical history?

And if so what other characteristics does that/those church(s) exhibit that might explain Christ vomiting?

well gee, that's a real technical question.......but I would think that if Christ said it that it has implications way way beyond just Laodicea. What do you think?

 

[TCassidy]

well gee, that's a real technical question.......but I would think that if Christ said it that it has implications way way beyond just Laodicea. What do you think?

I am still waiting to hear what you think.

What, exactly, does the bible mean by "Laodicea?" And what does it mean by "vomit?"

 

[stevewm1963]

OK... What distinguishes a true believer from a fraud?

This to me is what distinguishes the two! I have a sister who was baptized at an early stage in her life, I also have a brother that was baptized at an early stage! My sister believes she is saved but refuses to step foot in a church,she doesn't attempt to spread Christs gospel! She has lived her entire life up to now unrepentant as a lesbian/bi-sexual, while she isn't involved in this lifestyle anymore as far as I know but she still has not repented! My brother has spent his entire life in and out of jail for stealing, dealing drugs and continues in that sinful life! I do not believe they are saved! My thoughts is if a person truly is saved there will be evidence of their salvation! I don't believe you have to be a bible thumper to be saved but there should be a clear evidence of the changes true salvation brings to those with a sincere heart! Over time if this person reads and does their best to follow the teachings of the bible the Holy Spirit will work in that person to bring about those changes! I was not saved until a few years ago but the joy I felt was unlike anything I've ever experienced in my life! When I stumble that joy is gone but the Holy Spirit convicts me and jerks me up by the scruff of my neck and puts me back on the right path! My sister doesn't want to hear and neither does my brother! I do not believe a person saved will remain in sin as my brother and sister have!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I am still waiting to hear what you think.

What, exactly, does the bible mean by "Laodicea?" And what does it mean by "vomit?"

you could be waiting a long time.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

This to me is what distinguishes the two! I have a sister who was baptized at an early stage in her life, I also have a brother that was baptized at an early stage! My sister believes she is saved but refuses to step foot in a church,she doesn't attempt to spread Christs gospel! She has lived her entire life up to now unrepentant as a lesbian/bi-sexual, while she isn't involved in this lifestyle anymore as far as I know but she still has not repented! My brother has spent his entire life in and out of jail for stealing, dealing drugs and continues in that sinful life! I do not believe they are saved! My thoughts is if a person truly is saved there will be evidence of their salvation! I don't believe you have to be a bible thumper to be saved but there should be a clear evidence of the changes true salvation brings to those with a sincere heart! Over time if this person reads and does their best to follow the teachings of the bible the Holy Spirit will work in that person to bring about those changes! I was not saved until a few years ago but the joy I felt was unlike anything I've ever experienced in my life! When I stumble that joy is gone but the Holy Spirit convicts me and jerks me up by the scruff of my neck and puts me back on the right path! My sister doesn't want to hear and neither does my brother! I do not believe a person saved will remain in sin as my brother and sister have!

Steve.....I now believe as you do. If the HS convicts you, there has to be some sort of change in the person. And I have also have been saved/regenerated fairly late in life (a 2nd half of life spiritual experience) and I have to tell you it has really changed me ....I am a much different person than I was so I don't stand luke-warm / carnal types.

 

[TCassidy]

you could be waiting a long time.

1 Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear.

 

[stevewm1963]

Steve.....I now believe as you do. If the HS convicts you, there has to be some sort of change in the person. And I have also have been saved/regenerated fairly late in life (a 2nd half of life spiritual experience) and I have to tell you it has really changed me ....I am a much different person than I was so I don't stand luke-warm / carnal types.

I still have a ways to go but I believe one day Christs work in me will be complete! I do however believe many of us are lukewarm to a degree but this will not rob us of salvation but will rob us of rewards in heaven! The bible tells us salvation is eternal and if God were to take back His grace that would make God a liar and a liar He is not! God won't take back what He has given us!

 

[nodak]

Here is how I see it. Bear with me a tad as it is somewhat complicated:

I do believe there will be a heart change when a person is saved, and do believe many think they are saved because they believe the bare facts and did whatever their particular church culture says you do when you get saved, but are not saved.

That said, I also know God labelled the adulterous David a man after God's own heart. He said the miserable sinner who prayed for mercy went home justified, not the Pharisee who was intent on thanking God he wasn't a sinner like others were. Jesus spoke of tax collectors and prostitutes entering the kingdom ahead of the righteous folks.

Jesus said if anyone come to Him He will in no wise cast him out. So I figure the rottenest sinner, if truly trusting only in the shed blood of Christ to save him will be saved. It will show, if only to God. He may have a vile temper and rage and curse, but God may know that unsaved he would have been a serial killer. God is in control of that man's sanctification process and speed, and I best keep my nose out of it.

I wouldn't go around judging the condition of another person's soul. Rather I would focus on my own walk of obedience, and let the Holy Spirit work in their lives. Rather than judging them worthy of hell, I might pray to the Lord on the basis of loving them and being concerned for them.

Share Christ and salvation with all, work on your own life, trust and take Jesus at His word. We are saved only by the blood, not by our walk. As to it showing, it should, but beware of being a Pharisee. That would show YOU have not trusted only in the Blood.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

1 Peter 3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear.

I gave you an answer.... can you not extrapolate from my prior commentary?

 

[stevewm1963]

Here is how I see it. Bear with me a tad as it is somewhat complicated:

I do believe there will be a heart change when a person is saved, and do believe many think they are saved because they believe the bare facts and did whatever their particular church culture says you do when you get saved, but are not saved.

That said, I also know God labelled the adulterous David a man after God's own heart. He said the miserable sinner who prayed for mercy went home justified, not the Pharisee who was intent on thanking God he wasn't a sinner like others were. Jesus spoke of tax collectors and prostitutes entering the kingdom ahead of the righteous folks.

Jesus said if anyone come to Him He will in no wise cast him out. So I figure the rottenest sinner, if truly trusting only in the shed blood of Christ to save him will be saved. It will show, if only to God. He may have a vile temper and rage and curse, but God may know that unsaved he would have been a serial killer. God is in control of that man's sanctification process and speed, and I best keep my nose out of it.

I wouldn't go around judging the condition of another person's soul. Rather I would focus on my own walk of obedience, and let the Holy Spirit work in their lives. Rather than judging them worthy of hell, I might pray to the Lord on the basis of loving them and being concerned for them.

Share Christ and salvation with all, work on your own life, trust and take Jesus at His word. We are saved only by the blood, not by our walk. As to it showing, it should, but beware of being a Pharisee. That would show YOU have not trusted only in the Blood.

Apostle Paul is a great example of this!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I still have a ways to go but I believe one day Christs work in me will be complete! I do however believe many of us are lukewarm to a degree but this will not rob us of salvation but will rob us of rewards in heaven! The bible tells us salvation is eternal and if God were to take back His grace that would make God a liar and a liar He is not! God won't take back what He has given us!

I dont believe God takes back his grace....I believe though that there are many many reprobates posing as Christians......sad isn't it?

 

[stevewm1963]

I dont believe God takes back his grace....I believe though that there are many many reprobates posing as Christians......sad isn't it?

Yes, but we knew this already! I often post scripture where ever there is a comment section to post in...I get attacked from every direction by God haters!

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Here is how I see it. Bear with me a tad as it is somewhat complicated:

I do believe there will be a heart change when a person is saved, and do believe many think they are saved because they believe the bare facts and did whatever their particular church culture says you do when you get saved, but are not saved.

That said, I also know God labelled the adulterous David a man after God's own heart. He said the miserable sinner who prayed for mercy went home justified, not the Pharisee who was intent on thanking God he wasn't a sinner like others were. Jesus spoke of tax collectors and prostitutes entering the kingdom ahead of the righteous folks.

Jesus said if anyone come to Him He will in no wise cast him out. So I figure the rottenest sinner, if truly trusting only in the shed blood of Christ to save him will be saved. It will show, if only to God. He may have a vile temper and rage and curse, but God may know that unsaved he would have been a serial killer. God is in control of that man's sanctification process and speed, and I best keep my nose out of it.

I wouldn't go around judging the condition of another person's soul. Rather I would focus on my own walk of obedience, and let the Holy Spirit work in their lives. Rather than judging them worthy of hell, I might pray to the Lord on the basis of loving them and being concerned for them.

Share Christ and salvation with all, work on your own life, trust and take Jesus at His word. We are saved only by the blood, not by our walk. As to it showing, it should, but beware of being a Pharisee. That would show YOU have not trusted only in the Blood.

Nodak, I hope you are not implying that Im judging---It aint me ....but my quotation of Matthew in my 1st post is quite revealing.....aint my words, be Jesus.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yes, but we knew this already! I often post scripture where ever there is a comment section to post in...I get attacked from every direction by God haters!

Well that's to be expected. But isn't it surprising when people who claim the blood also attack.

Look we are to love the Lord with all our hearts.....He is our top love.....even over our wife, kids, parents ...everyone. We don't hate, we love & Him we love the most. And out of that love are deeds to everyone we come in contact with. And that's what Christ is saying. Gotta go!!!

 

[TCassidy]

I gave you an answer.... can you not extrapolate from my prior commentary?

So you lied when you said:

you could be waiting a long time.

?

 

[TCassidy]

I wouldn't go around judging the condition of another person's soul.

Amen! Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest the servant of another? to his own lord he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be made to stand; for the Lord hath power to make him stand.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

So you lied when you said:
?

My bad Biggrin

 

[SovereignGrace]

EWF I have always believed as John Gill in his Exposition of the Bible on these verses and not all scripture applies to eternal salvation... We need to work out our Salvation not to get but because we already have it... How do we show forth the Amazing Sovereign Grace we've been given?... I know of only one way by showing forth our fruit in our walk and how we treat our fellow man... We receive blessing when we do and are deprived of the blessing when we don't... We not only read and studying the Word of God but we put the Word Of God to practical application... In doing so we have done it unto him our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ... Those are my thoughts... Brother Glen

Why thank you.

 

[SovereignGrace]

I leave that in God hands as I have no control over that... You can interpret as you understand it and I stand with TC and preachinjesus... You are missing Sovereign Grace!... Brother Glen

Here is a little poem that sums up the way I feel and no one knows who wrote it... This to me is Sovereign Grace!

Surprise In Heaven

I dreamt death came the other night
And Heaven’s gate swung wide.
An angel with a halo bright
Ushered me inside.
And there! To my astonishment
Stood folks I’d judged and labeled
As “quite unfit”, “of little worth”,
And “spiritually disabled”.
Indignant words rose to my lips
But never were set free,
For every face showed stunned surprise --
Not one expected me!

Thank you again. I'm not missing...I am right here.