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I see no difference between Baptists and other churches.

Walter

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I hope so.

But many non-Baptist churches have believes that are contrary to Baptist and with each other. One of the most glaring is the Roman Catholic belief that when an infant is baptized they are "born-again".

Are Catholics Born Again?
"When a Catholic says that he has been “born again,” he refers to the transformation that God’s grace accomplished in him during baptism."

Concerning baptism, Baptist, as far as I know, hold the biblical view:

(Rom 6:3 KJV) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
(Rom 6:4 KJV) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

However, here's something I find interesting, most active Witnesses have no knowledge of (or interest in) the Early Church Fathers, it’s crucial to realize that no Christians held views like theirs about the nature of Christ until Arius came along at the turn of the fourth century. Other nontrinitarians will dispute this, but their examples are generally of early Fathers using theological terms imprecisely, or simply references to the “economic” subordination. This is to be expected; before Nicaea, the Church hadn’t settled on precisely how to articulate its understanding of the Godhead. That certainly doesn’t mean there wasn’t a generally accepted, lived expression of that understanding from the very beginning. JW's are just modern day Arians. This is an ancient heresy.
 
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rockytopva

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“A great challenge of life: Knowing enough to think you are right, but not knowing enough to know you are wrong.”- Neil Tyson

"Most people know enough about religion to make themselves miserable. But not enough to do anybody any good," - James Baldwin
 

Oseas3

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Again:
John 1:11-13
11 He came unto His own, and His own received Him not.
12 But as many as received Him (Jewish and Gentiles), to them gave He power to become the sons of GOD, even to them that believe on His NAME:-->JESUS-Acts 4:11-12 ; NOT Jehovah,YHWH,Yahweh, HaShem, Adonai, Yehovah, Elohim, Yahusha,YEHװshia, YEHװvah. JESUS /JOSHUA IS GOD.

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of GOD.

Thus, be Jews or Gentiles,they will be saved if believe in the NAME of JESUS, i.e. as believers in JESUS and obey His Gospel of GOD's Kingdom, that will be established from now on-Revelation 11:15-18.


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JESUS never was esoteric, neither kabbalistic, nor spiritist. The esoteric, and kabbalistic, and demonic jehovah has nothing to do with JESUS. Jehovah is the esoteric, and kabbalistic and spiritist NAME of the DEVIL, the Old Serpent and Satan. In fact, the DEMONIC NAME jehovah is one of the ten kabbalistic names of the Devil, understand? or nicknames.
 
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Walter

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Some suggested that the SBC could benefit from the theological precision offered by the Nicene Creed while retaining its non-creedal identity. A resolution was proposed at convention, however, it failed to pass.

Many Christian churches have found great value in affirming the apostles, nicene, and Athanasian creeds. JW's, Mormons and other non-Christian cults could never affirm these basic biblical truths. Athanasius brought an end to the Arian heresy, however, we are witnessing it here again with the JW OP. Iglesia Ni Christo (Phillipino cult) adopted this heresy as well, just doesn't define the Holy Spirit as 'an active force'. I doubt the OP is aware that originally the JW's early documents referenced to HS as 'he' and not 'it'.

It will be interesting to hear the OP's eexplanation of the many false prophesies of Christ return. When I was in college in the 70's was the last false prophecy of Christ return easily verified in the WTS.
 
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David Lamb

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It is OBVIOUSLY a parable. Want me to go over it step-by-step?
Of course the Word was made flesh.
Word was God the same as Moses was.
But Moses wasn't God. The Word was God, as John says.
The Word DIED. God cannot.
That is why, as it says in John 1:

“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.” (Joh 1:14 NKJV)

And as Paul wrote to Timothy:

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.” (1Ti 3:16 NKJV)
 
The requirements for salvation...

If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. - Romans 10:9

Not hard! And as far as doctrine Paul says...

1 And I, brethren, when I came to you, came not with excellency of speech or of wisdom, declaring unto you the testimony of God.
2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified. - 1 Corinthians 2

Nothing Jehovahs Witness here!
But you don't even believe he died...he supposedly took that thief to heaven, and visited those in hell!
 
'Let US create man in our own image.'
It’s important to realize that JWs use the words divine and God/god differently than we do. To them, the Father, Jesus, and the angels are all divine, but Christians maintain there is a difference in nature between angels and God (creatures versus Creator) and a sameness of nature between the Father and Jesus (both are God).

Also, JWs use the word god (lowercase “g”) in reference to Jesus, effectively meaning he is godlike but not equal in status and nature to the Father, who alone is referred to as “God” (capital “G”). When we use the word god, we are typically using it in the context of mythology wherein the story refers to deities.

New World Translation. John 1:1 ' . . . the Word was 'a god' is where the JW spin gets amusing.

What's amusing is you think there were caps & lower case in the Greek.:Geek
 
But Moses wasn't God. The Word was God, as John says.

That is why, as it says in John 1:

“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.” (Joh 1:14 NKJV)

And as Paul wrote to Timothy:

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory.” (1Ti 3:16 NKJV)

Comapare John 1:1 with Exodus 7:1.

Ex 7:1- And Jehovah said to Moses, See, I have made thee God to Pharaoh; and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. - Darby
1 Tim 3;16- Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of our religion: he was manifested in the flesh, vindicated....
 
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