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I want to see an Arminian Exegete this passage

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Rob_BW

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SovereignGrace said:
You guys call yourselves Non-Cals, and I showed you who else is a Non-Cal, too.
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Are those groups Baptist? I think I see underneath his picture that ITL has called himself a Baptist, which makes me puzzled why you would lump him together with unbelievers.

I'm only at 3.75 points, guess that makes me:

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Rob_BW said:
Are those groups Baptist? I think I see underneath his picture that ITL has called himself a Baptist, which makes me puzzled why you would lump him together with unbelievers.

I'm only at 3.75 points, guess that makes me:

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Now that we got that definition out of the way... Anyone that doesn't believe the way I do... Is an unbeliever:Wink... Brother Glen:Roflmao:Roflmao:Roflmao
 
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Revmitchell said:
Are there any actual "Arminians" on this board or is that just being used as a generic term for those who are not a Calvinist?
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I think the point is that some believe “Christian” means Calvinism. The only exception is Arminianism which means “wrong Christians” because Arminianism is of Calvinistic trajectory. I don’t know what they think the rest are. Pagans I suppose. :rolleyes:
 
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Calv1 said:
Romans 1-7
I ask, then, a member of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. Do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he appeals to God against Israel? “Lord, they have killed your prophets, they have demolished your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life.” 4 But what is God's reply to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5 So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace. 6 But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.

7 What then? Israel failed to obtain what it was seeking. The elect obtained it, but the rest were hardened, 8 as it is written,

“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that would not see
and ears that would not hear,
down to this very day.”
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Verses 1-4 Hath God rejected his whole people – all Israel? In no wise. Now there is “a remnant” who believe, Romans 11:5; and hereafter “all Israel will be saved,” Romans 11:26. God hath not rejected that part of his people whom he foreknew – speaking after the manner of men. For, in fact, knowing and foreknowing are the same thing with God, who knows or sees all things at once, from everlasting to everlasting.

Know ye not – That in a parallel case, amidst a general apostasy, when Elijah thought the whole nation was fallen into idolatry, God “knew” there was “a remnant” of true worshippers.

Verse 5 According to the election of grace – According to that gracious purpose of God, “He that believeth shall be saved.”

Verse 6 And if by grace, then it is no more of works – whether ceremonial or moral. Else grace is no longer grace – the very nature of grace is lost.

And if it be of works, then it is no more grace: else work is no longer work – but the very nature of it is destroyed. There is something so absolutely inconsistent between the being justified by grace, and the geing justified by works, that, if you suppose either, you of necessity exclude the other. For what is given to works is the payment of a debt; whereas grace implies an unmerited favour. So that the same benefit cannot, in the very nature of things, be derived from both.

Verse 7 What then – What is the conclusion from the whole? It is this: that Israel in general hath not obtained justification; but those of them only who believe. And the rest were blinded – by their own willful prejudice.

(John Wesley's Explanatory notes)
 
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