Iceland's chief Epidemiologist admits vaccines dont work to stop covid spread

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I don't (although my example was extreme).
Rebellion from authority is in our nature.

To put it on context, if the government provided accurate information about the covid vaccine many would reject the information because it came from the government. This is especially true when the government holds opposing politics.

If President Biden offered accurate information many here would reject it based on their dislike for the Biden Administration. We saw this with the Democrats rejecting the "Trump vaccines" only to accept the vaccines under the Biden Administration.

Now you are putting politics into the epicenter of the controversy. As you southerners like to say, “taint true!” Did I get that right?

 

[JonC]

Now you are putting politics into the epicenter of the controversy. As you southerners like to say, “taint true!” Did I get that right?

Politics has always been at the epicenter of the covid and vax controversy. That is what it is about- controlling people by fear.

The covid and vax issue is another matter. That is simply weighing risks. Not a controversy at all.

 

[dad2]

I disagree. You seem to misrepresent what I (someone of no importance) said (of a topic of no eternal significance).

Do you apply the same lack of care to Scripture?

If you can't be trusted with the small stuff then you certainly can't be trusted with the big stuff.

I never said God liked to have Bablyon take Israel captive. I never said God liked war or destruction.

What I said was God uses these things for His purposes. And I said there is a very real possibility that God, through these powers, gave us the vaccines.

What you said was this

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You are asking a question posed in Revelation. The answer is simply "it is not time".

God's time is not always our time.

That said, throughout history God has used secular governments for His purposes (maybe even giving man a vaccine)."

The vaccine was something based on killing babies. I never mentioned Babylon, or Israel did I? Yet you claim some misrepresentation. The lockdowns are part of the program. These will result, I read in millions of deaths from starvation. The research that the vaccines used involved murdered babies. So if as you suggest God may have given us all this, then He would be fine with murdering babies. Don't accuse others of the misrepresentation you practice.

 

[JonC]

What you said was this

"
You are asking a question posed in Revelation. The answer is simply "it is not time".

God's time is not always our time.

That said, throughout history God has used secular governments for His purposes (maybe even giving man a vaccine)."

The vaccine was something based on killing babies. I never mentioned Babylon, or Israel did I? Yet you claim some misrepresentation. The lockdowns are part of the program. These will result, I read in millions of deaths from starvation. The research that the vaccines used involved murdered babies. So if as you suggest God may have given us all this, then He would be fine with murdering babies. Don't accuse others of the misrepresentation you practice.

I stand by both posts.

I did say "throughout history God has used secular governments for His purposes (maybe even giving man a vaccine)."

But you misrepresented that statement by replying:

So maybe God wanted freedoms taken away and babies murdered to use their bodies for research, and maybe God wants lies spewed

I am not sure if you are lying or simply did not read my post well.

But YOU did misrepresent my post. Were you man (or woman) enough you would admit to the error.

I will not hold my breath.

 

[dad2]

I stand by both posts.

I did say "throughout history God has used secular governments for His purposes (maybe even giving man a vaccine)."

But you misrepresented that statement by replying:
I am not sure if you are lying or simply did not read my post well.

But YOU did misrepresent my post. Were you man (or woman) enough you would admit to the error.

I will not hold my breath.

The covid vaccines involve what I said. Not sure why you try to dodge.

"So maybe God wanted freedoms taken away and babies murdered to use their bodies for research, and maybe God wants lies spewed" (on mainstream media day and night)


The pandemic program involves lockdowns, untested vaccine so called, and a basis in abortion related research. Do you still suggest that maybe God is responsible for this? Or are you saying you 'really' meant that all vaccines EXCEPT the recent ones might have been from God? Or..?

 

[JonC]

The covid vaccines involve what I said. Not sure why you try to dodge.

"So maybe God wanted freedoms taken away and babies murdered to use their bodies for research, and maybe God wants lies spewed" (on mainstream media day and night)


The pandemic program involves lockdowns, untested vaccine so called, and a basis in abortion related research. Do you still suggest that maybe God is responsible for this? Or are you saying you 'really' meant that all vaccines EXCEPT the recent ones might have been from God? Or..?

I am not dodging anything.

I believe that God is sovereign and that God's will is not conquered by man (not just in salvation but in all things).

Why so little faith?

 

[xlsdraw]

Politics has always been at the epicenter of the covid and vax controversy. That is what it is about- controlling people by fear.

The covid and vax issue is another matter. That is simply weighing risks. Not a controversy at all.

My decision to not vax has nothing to do with fear and everything to do with faith. Faith in my God, and no faith in what America has become during my lifetime.

There are similarities between the American Christian experience today; and Daniel and his three amigos' Babylonian experience under King Nebuchadnezzar.

The King commanded what they were to consume, in His opinion for the betterment of their health.

Daniel chose not to Defile himself, and his amigos, with the King's meat and wine. He chose separation and faith in his God for their spiritual and physical wellbeing. And they Proved their God.

America, Western Democracy, and their elites, have become a self-worshipping empire similar to Nebuchadnezzar's Babylonian kingdom.

Perhaps they'll produce a leader as vain as Nebuchadnezzar. A type of the Antichrist.

 

[dad2]

I am not dodging anything.

I believe that God is sovereign and that God's will is not conquered by man (not just in salvation but in all things).

Why so little faith?

A tree is known by it's fruit. When we see a cabal of folks that love death and promote child sacrifice and abuse (like changing the children's sex) it is not difficult to see that is not a good tree. That sort of thing is not God's will. His will is to judge them. That is one reason He takes us out of this world. When I see a program of lockdowns that will kill millions according to some articles I read, and a stream of fearmongering propaganda promoting one side of the issue and suppressing other voices, even of medical professionals, that is not something sane and good people should put faith in. When we see research based on aborted babies, that is not something that is God's will. Not something that is good. So when you seem to suggest that maybe that program is God's will, I can't agree. Or maybe you want to separate the lockdowns and etc from the vaccine itself, and call that maybe God's will?

 

[JonC]

A tree is known by it's fruit. When we see a cabal of folks that love death and promote child sacrifice and abuse (like changing the children's sex) it is not difficult to see that is not a good tree. That sort of thing is not God's will. His will is to judge them. That is one reason He takes us out of this world. When I see a program of lockdowns that will kill millions according to some articles I read, and a stream of fearmongering propaganda promoting one side of the issue and suppressing other voices, even of medical professionals, that is not something sane and good people should put faith in. When we see research based on aborted babies, that is not something that is God's will. Not something that is good. So when you seem to suggest that maybe that program is God's will, I can't agree. Or maybe you want to separate the lockdowns and etc from the vaccine itself, and call that maybe God's will?

I am not talking about justifying the Word. The World is condemned. There is no redeeming political parties (GOP, DNC, etc). They are corrupt.

But just because President Trump's Administratiin gave us a vaccine being pushed now by political powers (the GOP and DNC) does not mean God is powerless.

You can say the vaccines are evil because it comes from evil scientists approved by evil governments who use evil methods.

BUT you best not be taking ANY medication - otherwise you are a hypocrite. Your wife best not get a mammogram (no x-ray technologyfor you). Your family best never to to a doctor. Otherwise you are made a liar.

You do not get to pick and choose the "fruit" you like.

 

[JonC]

My decision to not vax has nothing to do with fear and everything to do with faith. Faith in my God, and no faith in what America has become during my lifetime.

There are similarities between the American Christian experience today; and Daniel and his three amigos' Babylonian experience under King Nebuchadnezzar.

The King commanded what they were to consume, in His opinion for the betterment of their health.

Daniel chose not to Defile himself, and his amigos, with the King's meat and wine. He chose separation and faith in his God for their spiritual and physical wellbeing. And they Proved their God.

America, Western Democracy, and their elites, have become a self-worshipping empire similar to Nebuchadnezzar's Babylonian kingdom.

Perhaps they'll produce a leader as vain as Nebuchadnezzar. A type of the Antichrist.

Yet look how God used Nebuchadnezzar for His purposes. Look how Scripture refers to a pagan king as "God's annointed" (Cyrus) - someone God used for His purposes.

This goes back to the story of the man stranded on his rooftop - praying to God for help yet refusing the help God sent because of his "faith".

 

[Wingman68]

I am not talking about justifying the Word. The World is condemned. There is no redeeming political parties (GOP, DNC, etc). They are corrupt.

But just because President Trump's Administratiin gave us a vaccine being pushed now by political powers (the GOP and DNC) does not mean God is powerless.

You can say the vaccines are evil because it comes from evil scientists approved by evil governments who use evil methods.

BUT you best not be taking ANY medication - otherwise you are a hypocrite. Your wife best not get a mammogram (no x-ray technologyfor you). Your family best never to to a doctor. Otherwise you are made a liar.

You do not get to pick and choose the "fruit" you like.

Obfuscating at it’s best. You are intentionally twisting his point about using babies dead bodies to make your vaccine.

 

[JonC]

You asked, we answered: Do the COVID-19 vaccines contain aborted fetal cells?

 

[Wingman68]

You asked, we answered: Do the COVID-19 vaccines contain aborted fetal cells?

From your link:
However, Pfizer and Moderna did perform confirmation tests (to ensure the vaccines work) using fetal cell lines. And Johnson & Johnson uses fetal cell lines in vaccine development, confirmation and production.

But it's important to have the full context: Fetal cell lines are not the same as fetal tissue.

Fetal cell lines are cells that grow in a laboratory. They descend from cells taken from elective abortions in the 1970s and 1980s. Those individual cells from the 1970s and 1980s have since multiplied into many new cells over the past four or five decades, creating fetal cell lines. Current fetal cell lines are thousands of generations removed from the original fetal tissue. They do not contain any tissue from a fetus.

Vaccine makers may use these fetal cell lines in any of the following three stages of vaccine development:

Now Jon, did they or did they not use aborted babies but not the tissue? Tissue fetal cells……..um, yeah. But it sounds good the way they spin, heh?

 

[JonC]

From your link:
However, Pfizer and Moderna did perform confirmation tests (to ensure the vaccines work) using fetal cell lines. And Johnson & Johnson uses fetal cell lines in vaccine development, confirmation and production.

But it's important to have the full context: Fetal cell lines are not the same as fetal tissue.

Fetal cell lines are cells that grow in a laboratory. They descend from cells taken from elective abortions in the 1970s and 1980s. Those individual cells from the 1970s and 1980s have since multiplied into many new cells over the past four or five decades, creating fetal cell lines. Current fetal cell lines are thousands of generations removed from the original fetal tissue. They do not contain any tissue from a fetus.

Vaccine makers may use these fetal cell lines in any of the following three stages of vaccine development:

Now Jon, did they or did they not use aborted babies but not the tissue? Tissue fetal cells……..um, yeah. But it sounds good the way they spin, heh?

Exactly. They did not contribute to the abortion rate.

 

[dad2]

I am not talking about justifying the Word. The World is condemned. There is no redeeming political parties (GOP, DNC, etc). They are corrupt.

But just because President Trump's Administratiin gave us a vaccine being pushed now by political powers (the GOP and DNC) does not mean God is powerless.

You can say the vaccines are evil because it comes from evil scientists approved by evil governments who use evil methods.

BUT you best not be taking ANY medication - otherwise you are a hypocrite. Your wife best not get a mammogram (no x-ray technologyfor you). Your family best never to to a doctor. Otherwise you are made a liar.

You do not get to pick and choose the "fruit" you like.

I never said there are no aspects of the medical system that can't be used and are 'good'. Don't make a false claim of what I said and use that for some strawman argument. There is a difference between getting your teeth fixed, or buying some glasses, or using pain medication when needed or bandaids, and etc. and slaughtering babies and then using the body parts in macabre research or household products! There is a difference between confusing some child as to what sex they 'really' are and proceeding with life altering treatments and treating a gunshot wound for example. We should know good from bad.
Yes the world has always been corrupt, and yet we were to have tried our best to obey as much as possible. If a regime said do not preach the truth/gospel, of course we were to disobey. The thing is that there were times in history when a power got so bad that He had to stir the waters and arrange for a new wicked regime to take over. There comes a point beyond which there is no turning back or fixing a kingdom. That was the case in Sodom. That was the case with the world before the flood. The idea here is not to condemn people for taking a vaccine they thought was good. Most people I know took the shots. It is a bit like where the bible says some people who are weak, let them eat herbs rather than meat. Diet does not save us. The vaccine or no vaccine won't save us. The vaccine is not the mark of the beast obviously. But when some people distrust the largely wicked medical system (no we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, there are some good things also) that should be fine. There are claims that the vaccinated people are in danger over time and an unknown risk. Untested. The stats are not released as far as I can see in any real way as to how many deaths or serious problems are linked to the vaccine. There is also some talk that the vaccine is fairly useless against the variants coming in the future and even with some variants now here. There is also the connection to murdered babies with the vaccines. There is also division among medical experts and doctors as to the value of the vaccines. There is also the huge profits some companies are making and some interests that stand to get rich the more the mandatory and ongoing booster shots. Some of the lead voices in cheerleading the vaccine push have investments in the drug and vaccine and research associated with the vaccines. The companies can make money from the vaccines but have zero responsibility for anything that comes as a result.
As mentioned regimes like the Biden administration have agendas that directly oppose God and His children and Scripture. They are the ones pushing for more and more restrictions on freedoms and mandatory shots.It seems to me it is a duty to distrust them and all they push!

 

[JonC]

I never said there are no aspects of the medical system that can't be used and are 'good'. Don't make a false claim of what I said and use that for some strawman argument. There is a difference between getting your teeth fixed, or buying some glasses, or using pain medication when needed or bandaids, and etc. and slaughtering babies and then using the body parts in macabre research or household products! There is a difference between confusing some child as to what sex they 'really' are and proceeding with life altering treatments and treating a gunshot wound for example. We should know good from bad.
Yes the world has always been corrupt, and yet we were to have tried our best to obey as much as possible. If a regime said do not preach the truth/gospel, of course we were to disobey. The thing is that there were times in history when a power got so bad that He had to stir the waters and arrange for a new wicked regime to take over. There comes a point beyond which there is no turning back or fixing a kingdom. That was the case in Sodom. That was the case with the world before the flood. The idea here is not to condemn people for taking a vaccine they thought was good. Most people I know took the shots. It is a bit like where the bible says some people who are weak, let them eat herbs rather than meat. Diet does not save us. The vaccine or no vaccine won't save us. The vaccine is not the mark of the beast obviously. But when some people distrust the largely wicked medical system (no we don't throw the baby out with the bathwater, there are some good things also) that should be fine. There are claims that the vaccinated people are in danger over time and an unknown risk. Untested. The stats are not released as far as I can see in any real way as to how many deaths or serious problems are linked to the vaccine. There is also some talk that the vaccine is fairly useless against the variants coming in the future and even with some variants now here. There is also the connection to murdered babies with the vaccines. There is also division among medical experts and doctors as to the value of the vaccines. There is also the huge profits some companies are making and some interests that stand to get rich the more the mandatory and ongoing booster shots. Some of the lead voices in cheerleading the vaccine push have investments in the drug and vaccine and research associated with the vaccines. The companies can make money from the vaccines but have zero responsibility for anything that comes as a result.
As mentioned regimes like the Biden administration have agendas that directly oppose God and His children and Scripture. They are the ones pushing for more and more restrictions on freedoms and mandatory shots.It seems to me it is a duty to distrust them and all they push!

You are backing off your statement that we cannot trust the vaccine because it came from the government (the Trump Administration) which you access as evil.

Are you now saying we CAN trust the fruit from a bad tree?????

The issue is you are bending things (here God's Word) to suit your agenda.

 

[dad2]

You are backing off your statement that we cannot trust the vaccine because it came from the government (the Trump Administration) which you access as evil.

Are you now saying we CAN trust the fruit from a bad tree?????

The issue is you are bending things (here God's Word) to suit your agenda.

I am saying that I don't trust it as far as I can throw it. I do not control others. If anyone asks me I'd say don't get it for all the reasons mentioned. It may be a bit too early to say if the vaccines are truly dangerous and bad. I can say the main advocates for the program of lockdowns and masks and vaccines also embrace evil doctrines and programs. So why would I believe them on the vaccines? The abortion connection alone should be enough to warn us away.

 

[JonC]

I am saying that I don't trust it as far as I can throw it. I do not control others. If anyone asks me I'd say don't get it for all the reasons mentioned. It may be a bit too early to say if the vaccines are truly dangerous and bad. I can say the main advocates for the program of lockdowns and masks and vaccines also embrace evil doctrines and programs. So why would I believe them on the vaccines? The abortion connection alone should be enough to warn us away.

I am not sure your point. You said you do not trust the vaccine because it is the fruit of an evil government (Trump) and another evil government (Biden) is seeking lockdowns.

If your initial statement is true - that we should not accept the virus because the bad tree (government) can only produce bad fruit then this would apply to all of its fruit - not just the ones that do not fit your agenda.

 

[dad2]

I am not sure your point. You said you do not trust the vaccine because it is the fruit of an evil government (Trump) and another evil government (Biden) is seeking lockdowns.

If your initial statement is true - that we should not accept the virus because the bad tree (government) can only produce bad fruit then this would apply to all of its fruit - not just the ones that do not fit your agenda.

I did not mention Trump. The evil regime is the one that pushes the abortion/same sex agenda. Etc. That is bad fruit. So we can't trust anything they say. There was enough rot even in Trump's day that many realized that the vaccines were not to be trusted. Trump was not pushing killing babies was he? He was not openly anti bible was he? That did not mean he was perfect. It did mean that he was not as totally untrustworthy as the ones that some say stole the election. When I read about cases in Canada where children were being encouraged and legally protected to undergo sex changes, and how a parent was arrested (if I recall the case correctly) for not referring to his child as some other sex than they were born with, that convinced me that God was about to lower the boom. You asked if maybe God used and allowed the vaccines? If He was preparing to judge nations, then yes!

 

[JonC]

I did not mention Trump. The evil regime is the one that pushes the abortion/same sex agenda. Etc. That is bad fruit. So we can't trust anything they say. There was enough rot even in Trump's day that many realized that the vaccines were not to be trusted. Trump was not pushing killing babies was he? He was not openly anti bible was he? That did not mean he was perfect. It did mean that he was not as totally untrustworthy as the ones that some say stole the election. When I read about cases in Canada where children were being encouraged and legally protected to undergo sex changes, and how a parent was arrested (if I recall the case correctly) for not referring to his child as some other sex than they were born with, that convinced me that God was about to lower the boom. You asked if maybe God used and allowed the vaccines? If He was preparing to judge nations, then yes!

You indicated the vaccine came from an evil administration (which would be the Trump Administration using Trumps "Operation Warp Speed). President Trump removed a lot of red tape to get these vaccines and he recently (3 weeks ago) criticized Biden saying not enough are vaccinated because of Biden.

My point is if this vaccine came from an evil government and an antichrist agenda then that antichrist was President Trump. You identified issues with Biden (and I agree) but you seem to shrink back from identifying the actual government administration that gave us the vaccine.

You speak out of turn (not offending me but God). You do not know if God gave the vaccine e as a blessing or a type of judgment. You are using God as a tool, not as God.

You should be more careful. That is why I said God may have given us this vaccine. We si.oly do not know. You are blinded by your agenda.