If a person is on an Island, and all they find is John 3:16, will believing that save them?

[KenH]

It is not determined by the bogus minority view of falselogy.

The gospel is determined by what is taught in the Bible and only those whose heart the Lord opens(Acts 16:14) will understand and believe the gospel.

 

[AustinC]

It is not determined by the bogus minority view of falselogy.

Scripture makes it clear that the content of our faith is not determinant, but rather whether God credits the person's faith as "righteous faith." Those credited receive His blessings, such as in John 3:16 they will have eternal life. Your translation, "believes in Him" renders "eis" as in but the word means into and conveys the idea of entry. Thus those who are believing into Him are those God credits with righteous faith and transfers them spiritually into Christ.

As far as the opportunity for salvation, again the people who say Christ died only for the elect do not believe everyone has the opportunity for salvation and eternal life. However I believe the majority view is Christ died as a ransom for all, therefore all humanity has the opportunity of believe "into" Him.

Now we know from Matthew 13 that superficial belief like soil #2 does not get credited by God. And we also know that if we do not make Christ our overriding priority, our "faith" will not be credited as righteous.

We know we must believe Christ is the Son of God (but exactly what that entails is in dispute) and that God raised Jesus bodily from the grave. We must believe in the One who sent Jesus as the Christ, the Messiah. From Abraham's example, we know we must trust in God's promises, and not be people "of little faith" who doubt their fulfillment.

Bottom line, if you are trying to figure out just what you need to do, you are trusting in your will and action, rather than just trusting that Christ is your savior.

No, scripture does not support Vanology. You are terribly wrong. You have been wrong for as long as you and I have had interaction. You have repeated your wrong theology (Vanology) all this time. You have been rebuked by numerous people, yet you keep spewing the same junk over and over like an active volcano that erupts noxious gasses.

 

[Van]

It is not determined by the bogus minority view of falselogy.

Scripture makes it clear that the content of our faith is not determinant, but rather whether God credits the person's faith as "righteous faith." Those credited receive His blessings, such as in John 3:16 they will have eternal life. Your translation, "believes in Him" renders "eis" as in but the word means into and conveys the idea of entry. Thus those who are believing into Him are those God credits with righteous faith and transfers them spiritually into Christ.

As far as the opportunity for salvation, again the people who say Christ died only for the elect do not believe everyone has the opportunity for salvation and eternal life. However I believe the majority view is Christ died as a ransom for all, therefore all humanity has the opportunity of believe "into" Him.

Now we know from Matthew 13 that superficial belief like soil #2 does not get credited by God. And we also know that if we do not make Christ our overriding priority, our "faith" will not be credited as righteous.

We know we must believe Christ is the Son of God (but exactly what that entails is in dispute) and that God raised Jesus bodily from the grave. We must believe in the One who sent Jesus as the Christ, the Messiah. From Abraham's example, we know we must trust in God's promises, and not be people "of little faith" who doubt their fulfillment.

Bottom line, if you are trying to figure out just what you need to do, you are trusting in your will and action, rather than just trusting that Christ is your savior.

 

[Van]

No, scripture does not support Vanology. You are terribly wrong. You have been wrong for as long as you and I have had interaction. You have repeated your wrong theology (Vanology) all this time. You have been rebuked by numerous people, yet you keep spewing the same junk over and over like an active volcano that erupts noxious gasses.

Yet another you, you, you violation post. But not one word about:

Scripture makes it clear that the content of our faith is not determinant, but rather whether God credits the person's faith as "righteous faith." Those credited receive His blessings, such as in John 3:16 they will have eternal life. Your translation, "believes in Him" renders "eis" as in but the word means into and conveys the idea of entry. Thus those who are believing into Him are those God credits with righteous faith and transfers them spiritually into Christ.

As far as the opportunity for salvation, again the people who say Christ died only for the elect do not believe everyone has the opportunity for salvation and eternal life. However I believe the majority view is Christ died as a ransom for all, therefore all humanity has the opportunity of believe "into" Him. See 1 Timothy 2:6

Now we know from Matthew 13 that superficial belief like soil #2 does not get credited by God. And we also know that if we do not make Christ our overriding priority, our "faith" will not be credited as righteous.

We know we must believe Christ is the Son of God (but exactly what that entails is in dispute) and that God raised Jesus bodily from the grave. We must believe in the One who sent Jesus as the Christ, the Messiah. From Abraham's example, we know we must trust in God's promises, and not be people "of little faith" who doubt their fulfillment.

Bottom line, if you are trying to figure out just what you need to do, you are trusting in your will and action, rather than just trusting that Christ is your savior.

 

[Silverhair]

Well, I guess we will have to acknowledge we have a difference in belief and how we live.

The elect are in Christ. They are judged based on Him and His righteousness. And His righteousness is perfect.

Romans 3:21-28 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets; even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God; to declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Actually they are judged on how they answer the question. What do you do with my Son? Those that believe are saved those that reject Him are condemned. Christ Jesus is the object of our faith.

Joh 3:18 Those who believe in him are not condemned; but those who do not believe are condemned already, because they have not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

The only way that Jesus’ statement in Joh_3:18 makes any sense, is if:
all sinners are truly condemned / lost (Rom_3:23)
and that Jesus died for all sinners (Joh_3:16)
and that salvation is available to all sinners (Luk_19:10)
and that all sinners have the option to believe or not believe. (Joh_3:36)

 

[KenH]

What do you do with my Son?

The Son of God is not up for a vote. The gospel is not a democracy.

 

[37818]

The Son of God is not up for a vote. The gospel is not a democracy.

Those that believe are saved those that reject Him are condemned.

1 John 5:12.

 

[KenH]

The gospel of Christ is a declaration about what Christ accomplished for God's elect, not an invitation. The gospel is to be believed, not voted on.

 

[Silverhair]

The gospel is determined by what is taught in the Bible and only those whose heart the Lord opens(Acts 16:14) will understand and believe the gospel.

So by that logic all those that do not have their heart opened by God really do have an excuse. They could not understand the gospel, and thus be saved, because He did not allow them to.

And since your version of God decrees all things even secondary causes, remember the movement of a molecule, you can't say their sin kept them out or their rejection of Christ did as all these things are determined by your version of God.

See what a mess you get into when you start to twist what the bible says.

 

[37818]

The gospel of Christ is a declaration about what Christ accomplished for God's elect, not an invitation. The gospel is to be believed, not voted on.

Matthew 22:14 teaches, many are invited but few are elect.

 

[KenH]

So by that logic all those that do not have their heart opened by God really do have an excuse. They could not understand the gospel, and thus be saved, because He did not allow them to.

And since your version of God decrees all things even secondary causes, remember the movement of a molecule, you can't say their sin kept them out or their rejection of Christ did as all these things are determined by your version of God.

See what a mess you get into when you start to twist what the bible says.

If one wants to know my answer to Silverhair, I direct the reader to the following link, from the top of page 92 through the first paragraph of page 94:

Systematic Theology (vincentcheung.com)

 

[KenH]

Matthew 22:14 teaches, many are invited but few are elect.

Being called is a command, not an invitation. For instance, if your boss calls you into his office, that is not an invitation.

 

[37818]

Being called is a command, not an invitation.

Matthew 22:2-14.

G2822
Original: κλητός

Transliteration: klētos

Phonetic: klay-tos'

Thayer Definition:

1. called, invited (to a banquet)
   1. invited (by God in the proclamation of the Gospel) to obtain eternal salvation in the kingdom through Christ
   2. called to (the discharge of) some office
      1. divinely selected and appointed

Origin: from the same as G2821

TDNT entry: 11:14,4

Part(s) of speech: Adjective

Strong's Definition: From the same as G2821; invited, that is, appointed, or (specifically) a saint: - called.

 

[KenH]

@37818 I am quite aware that much of what passes for "Christianity" nowadays is a watered down version of Bible teaching, a repulsive brew that says that God is down on His hands and knees begging or inviting sinners to please, please let Him save them.

 

[KenH]

Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

Please notice that this verse does not say, "For many are called, but few accept the invitation."

It's "few are chosen."

And who did the choosing? God!

 

[KenH]

"Since the effectual calling is one whose result is guaranteed, it is not like an "invitation" that the elect may accept or reject. Rather, it is more like what we mean by the verb "to summon." In calling his elect, God does not merely invite them to do something, but God himself does something to them. ... Thus those whom God has selected and predestined in eternity, he also summons to Christ in history."

- Vincent Cheung, Systematic Theology

 

[Silverhair]

The Son of God is not up for a vote. The gospel is not a democracy.

How did you get Christ "up for a vote" from what I wrote. Some of your comments make no sense at all.

You must think that God is a dictator by the answer you gave. That is not biblical, but then again when has that ever stopped you making of comments.

I think you really want to honor God and be faithful to scripture but you have worked so hard at supporting the Calvinist philosophy that you can not see a way to extricate yourself from it. Just humble your self and admit that you have misunderstood the scriptures, that is your first step toward true faith in Christ Jesus.

 

[KenH]

I think you really want to honor God and be faithful to scripture but you have worked so hard at supporting the Calvinist philosophy that you can not see a way to extricate yourself from it. Just humble your self and admit that you have misunderstood the scriptures, that is your first step toward true faith in Christ Jesus.

What you are wanting me to do is to deny the gospel of Christ and submit to your man-centered false gospel. No, sir, I will not do it.

 

[KenH]

How did you get Christ "up for a vote" from what I wrote.

You wrote, "What do you do with my Son?"

 

[Silverhair]

Matthew 22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.

Please notice that this verse does not say, "For many are called, but few accept the invitation."

It's "few are chosen."

And who did the choosing? God!

While indeed many are called to the gospel-feast, it will be manifest by their disregarding it, there are but few chosen in such a sense as finally to partake of its blessings. This is indeed a dreadful truth, the greatest part of those to whom the gospel is offered, will either openly reject or secretly disobey it. In short, many hear, few believe. Individual response is essential if they are to be chosen by God unto salvation. While many may be members of the visible, not all are of the invisible church.
Heb_11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.

While you may say, “Many are called by Christ but not chosen by God.” Fair enough.

But note three inescapable facts:
1) Nowhere in the New Testament are we informed that the chosen were unconditionally chosen — nowhere. That is an idea imposed upon the biblical teaching of election.
2) If we receive the argument quoted above, that a person can be called but not unconditionally chosen, then that reveals a character flaw in the Lord.
3) However, if we adhere to the concept that the called, or invited, can fail to be among the chosen, then we properly frame the matter, allowing each person invited into the kingdom of God as being responsible to trust in Christ, and keep the integrity of Christ intact.