If Calvinism is true...

JP it is talking about before the Commandments were given but their Conscious was a law unto themselves.

 

JP:
Judge the Judge? It is a fact not my doing. You even want to find fault with me for stating what is true that Man's law according to you is more merciful than God's law. Everyone including babies need The Mercy of God. I sure am glad its there.

Were there any children in the Garden of Eden when Adam and Eve sinned?

 

I do not protect or condemn anyone. I only ask people to use Scripture correctly.

I do not believe that babies who die go to Hell. I also do not think their "innocence" is the reason. I think the vicarious death of Christ is the reason. I will not argue that with anyone. I will argue with anyone who pretends that a passage of Scripture says something that it does not say.

 

Whatever:
That was not a scripture but a statement if you were referrng to me and I guess you were. No one goes to Heaven including babies without the blood of Christ and that is that. If you are saying I said a scripture which was not correct please tell me what it is and I will correct it.

 

Brother Bob,

In Romans 4:15 Paul said "where there is no law there is no transgression" but he was not talking about babies. That's all I meant.

 

I'm afraid there's a whole lot you don't "SEE", the law was established/given to warn man of sin and to avoid it, which isn't totally possible for man, but at least to "make an effort", and what we lack in ability God's grace is sufficient to cover.

What do you think Judgment day is all about, so God can tell the sinner how he predestined them to "break his law" so he could condemn them??

What would you think of a Judge who kept feeding you beers until you were "dog drunk", put you under the steering wheel of a car and told you to drive home, but then had you arrested for "drunk driving" and then as Judge, sentenced you to prison for "breaking the law"???

That's calvin describing God.

 

Me4, I think you've lost your mind. You are completely incoherent and are making no sense.

 

Me4Him,

You hit the nail on the head. The calvinist theory is that God will predestine some to go to hell. Then they stand without excuse before Him on Judgment. They cannot even say, 'You made me do it.' Even though according to Calvinist doctrine it was indeed God that did cause them to do it.

 

Not true. Predestination does not cause anything.

 

Not true. Predestination does not cause anything. </font>[/QUOTE]God is an "ABSOLUTE" God, in "EVERYTHING".

And when the "HOLY GHOST" teaches, it will be an "ABSOLUTE" doctrine, without "Variations", left or right.

One Calvinist says, no free will , another yes to free will.

One says No predestination, another predestination.

Do you think the Holy Ghost would teach contradictions to different people???

Ya see, the evidence that man's doctrine is being taught is by it's lack of "ABSOLUTENESS", there's no sense of "one Direction", opinions/doctrine vary with men, but not with the Holy Ghost.

 

Not true. Predestination does not cause anything. </font>[/QUOTE]God is an "ABSOLUTE" God, in "EVERYTHING".

And when the "HOLY GHOST" teaches, it will be an "ABSOLUTE" doctrine, without "Variations", left or right.

One Calvinist says, no free will , another yes to free will.

One says No predestination, another predestination.

Do you think the Holy Ghost would teach contradictions to different people???

Ya see, the evidence that man's doctrine is being taught is by it's lack of "ABSOLUTENESS", there's no sense of "one Direction", opinions/doctrine vary with men, but not with the Holy Ghost. </font>[/QUOTE]So, how do you account for the great variety of beliefs among free-willers?

 

Hello Me4Him,

I'm not sure why but I normally have a hard time figuring out what in the world you are getting at. But I don't know of a single Calvinists who says "no predestination". That just doesn't make sense.

As for your second question, no, the Holy Spirit does not teach contradictions to different Christians (which is what I think you mean). When Christians disagree (see Paul correcting Peter for example) it is not the Holy Spirit causing it.

 

You are absolutely right that truth is what it is regardless of my emotions.
But if you don't see why so many want to take a firm position, you are blessed. Many of us have had an infant die and do look forward to seeing that child again, regardless of your feelings that it isn't something to be concerned about. See Al Mohler's column. It was posted on apparently a different thread.
Believe me, this is a matter of deepest concern for many people.

Karen

 

Not true. Predestination does not cause anything. </font>[/QUOTE]God is an "ABSOLUTE" God, in "EVERYTHING".

And when the "HOLY GHOST" teaches, it will be an "ABSOLUTE" doctrine, without "Variations", left or right.

One Calvinist says, no free will , another yes to free will.

One says No predestination, another predestination.

Do you think the Holy Ghost would teach contradictions to different people???

Ya see, the evidence that man's doctrine is being taught is by it's lack of "ABSOLUTENESS", there's no sense of "one Direction", opinions/doctrine vary with men, but not with the Holy Ghost. </font>[/QUOTE]So, how do you account for the great variety of beliefs among free-willers? </font>[/QUOTE]There's one one "ABSOLUTE" answer to that question, same as the Calvinist.

Disagreeing with me doesn't mean anything, but when it's time to give an account for every "idle word" spoken, who was right/wrong will mean something at that time.

Be sure, your/mine sin "WILL" find you/me out.

 

Hello Me4Him,

I'm not sure why but I normally have a hard time figuring out what in the world you are getting at. But I don't know of a single Calvinists who says "no predestination". That just doesn't make sense.

As for your second question, no, the Holy Spirit does not teach contradictions to different Christians (which is what I think you mean). When Christians disagree (see Paul correcting Peter for example) it is not the Holy Spirit causing it. </font>[/QUOTE]When Christians disagree (see Paul correcting Peter for example) it is not the Holy Spirit causing it.

My point exactly, "SOMEBODY" isn't listening to the Holy Ghost, read my post above.

 

Well, of course. So start listening.

 

Well, of course. So start listening. </font>[/QUOTE]Evidently, you didn't read my "Above post",

 

Me4Him,

This remind ya of a specific verse in the Bible? I'll give ya a hint... 'Having ears, they...'

Keep preaching His truth, Me4Him. It will not go unrewarded.

 

You have no idea what my life has been like, or what I've been through, so please don't make assumptions. No matter what anyone has been through, if the Bible doesn't have the answer, there's no excuse for making one up and saying it's Biblical because it makes you feel better.

I have no problem saying "I don't know" to the question of what happens to the unborn or babies who die. We'll find out soon enough.

 

You have no idea what my life has been like, or what I've been through, so please don't make assumptions. No matter what anyone has been through, if the Bible doesn't have the answer, there's no excuse for making one up and saying it's Biblical because it makes you feel better.

I have no problem saying "I don't know" to the question of what happens to the unborn or babies who die. We'll find out soon enough. </font>[/QUOTE]And there's "NO EXCUSE" for being ignorant of the scriptures, the "Holy Ghost" is no respecter or persons either, it will teach all who recognize their need of an education, but it will not debate/argue with dissenter,

"Humble as a child", to sit under his tutoring.