If Calvinism is true...

[Helen]

Then sin is disobedience, right? Isn't transgression against the law also called disobedience?

Now, if God decides something, that is the law, right? I mean, if God says, "this is going to happen", then that is what is going to happen and, at least in science, when something is that sure, we call it a law. Is it a law where God is concerned, too, that if something must happen because He decrees it that it is then a law?

 

[whatever]

Originally posted by Helen:
To the Calvinists:

1. Please define sin, either here or in the thread started for that purpose.

2. Who are you to argue with me since God has predestined I should think and say all this?

1. Sin is any transgression of the law of God.

2. Who are you to argue with me since God has predestined that I should try to correct your thinking?

 

[Helen]

Originally posted by johnp.:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />If He predestined them to do what they did, they did not disobey Him.

Hello standingfirm. The bible clearly says God predestined those who disobey, For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all. Rom 11:32.
john. </font>[/QUOTE]But, john, according to Calvinism, He most certainly does NOT have mercy on them all!

 

[whatever]

Originally posted by Helen:
Then sin is disobedience, right? Isn't transgression against the law also called disobedience?

Now, if God decides something, that is the law, right? I mean, if God says, "this is going to happen", then that is what is going to happen and, at least in science, when something is that sure, we call it a law. Is it a law where God is concerned, too, that if something must happen because He decrees it that it is then a law?

No, if God decides that something will happen that is not "the law" in a Biblical sense. No fair switching definitions.

Again, what God has predestined and what He has commanded are not always the same thing.

 

[Helen]

2. Who are you to argue with me since God has predestined that I should try to correct your thinking?

You are talking in circles and speaking nonsense. It is you who believe even what I write is preordained. Therefore the idea of 'correcting' it is a fallacy. You cannot correct what God has predestined.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Amen, Helen!

 

[whatever]

Originally posted by Helen:
2. Who are you to argue with me since God has predestined that I should try to correct your thinking?

You are talking in circles and speaking nonsense. It is you who believe even what I write is preordained. Therefore the idea of 'correcting' it is a fallacy. You cannot correct what God has predestined.

What if your future acceptance of Calvinism is predestined? What if God determined that it would come to pass by interacting with the Scriptures that others and I have posted? Who am I to stand in the way of that?

 

[npetreley]

Originally posted by standingfirminChrist:
If He predestined them to do what they did, they did not disobey Him.

Double-talk.

Obedience: To do what you are commanded to do
Disobedience: To refuse to do what you are commanded to do
Predestined: To do what you were predestined to do, whether that is an act of obedience or disobedience
Open theology: To do whatever you will, and God does not predestine your actions either way

You're trying to redefine predestined disobedience as obedience. Only an idiot would buy that argument.

But predestined disobedience is true. "Why does He still blame us, for who resists His will?" "God has bound all men over to disobedience so that He may have mercy on them all."

Like I said, start a crusade to ban the Bible, because it describes a God you don't like.

 

[johnp.]

Hello Helen.

Is it a law where God is concerned, too, that if something must happen because He decrees it that it is then a law?

A decree is the will of the God Helen. What He has determined will come about. Philadelphia Lawyer?

But, john, according to Calvinism, He most certainly does NOT have mercy on them all!

Yes Helen, and what? We do not believe the first part because the second part is wrong and we don't answer the first part? Read the verses and you will find Him talking about Jews and Gentiles being the 'all men'. But what of For God has bound all men over to disobedience... answer that and you will be a Calvinist.

john.

 

[Helen]

But He doesn't have mercy on them all in Calvinism...so why do you keep quoting that verse?

 

[Brother Bob]

I see none of the Calvinist gave an answer to whether there would be babies in Hell and if so did God predestinate them to be there.
Also to all of you, if your baby ran in the street and was killed by a drunk driver would you blame God or the drunk driver? Just trying to put your belief to real life don't mean any harm.

 

[Me4Him]

Calvin made the "mistake" of believing God predestined some so that he could "show his wrath" for "his glory", that's where calvin got it all wrong.

God's wrath is punishment of the unbeliever, for not believing, as scripture teaches,

God loved the whole world and he takes no pleasure in the death of any sinners, but rather that they turn from sin and live.

Calvin's error is in thinking that God's glory is in showing "WRATH" rather than in showing "LOVE".

 

[whatever]

Originally posted by Brother Bob:
I see none of the Calvinist gave an answer to whether there would be babies in Hell and if so did God predestinate them to be there.

I replied in the middle of page 4 but so you don't have to hunt for it here's what I said:

"I've never heard a Calvinist preach that, so I can't say. That doesn't sound like the Calvinists that I know. I personally do not believe that babies who die go to Hell, but if it happens then who am I to argue with God?"

Also to all of you, if your baby ran in the street and was killed by a drunk driver would you blame God or the drunk driver? Just trying to put your belief to real life don't mean any harm.

What did Job say and do when all of his riches were lost and all of his children were killed?

Job 1:20-22 - Then Job arose and tore his robe and shaved his head and fell on the ground and worshiped. And he said, "Naked I came from my mother's womb, and naked shall I return. The LORD gave, and the LORD has taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD." In all this Job did not sin or charge God with wrong.

Who gave? Who took away? Who worshiped? Who spoke the truth?

 

[johnp.]

Hello Helen.

Therefore the idea of 'correcting' it is a fallacy. You cannot correct what God has predestined.

ECC 7:13 Consider what God has done: Who can straighten what he has made crooked?

He can and He does this through us as He calls His chosen people home. The reprobate will pay for not being chosen. We rest in Him not our arguments and your salvation rests on Him and not our arguments either.

1 Cor 1:30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God--that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. 31 Therefore, as it is written: "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."

john.

 

[Me4Him]

Originally posted by Brother Bob:
I see none of the Calvinist gave an answer to whether there would be babies in Hell and if so did God predestinate them to be there.
Also to all of you, if your baby ran in the street and was killed by a drunk driver would you blame God or the drunk driver? Just trying to put your belief to real life don't mean any harm.

Oh Lordy, we don't need any "common sense" in this "stupidity".

 

[Brother Bob]

The patience of Job. Who among us has that, not me for sure and confession is good for the soul?

 

[standingfirminChrist]

According to the Calvinistic theory, God would be to blame because He fore-ordained that child to run in the path of the drunk driver. Thereby making God a murderer.

 

[whatever]

Originally posted by standingfirminChrist:
According to the Calvinistic theory, God would be to blame because He fore-ordained that child to run in the path of the drunk driver. Thereby making God a murderer.

Job said that God took his children and his stuff. The Bible says that Job was right. Why do you say that Job was wrong?

 

[Me4Him]

Johnp

The reprobate will pay for not being chosen.

God is going to "GIVE" "one sinner" a "pardon" and condemn the next for the same crime and then claims that is "JUSTICE"??


The "god" calvin worships doesn't fulfil the law in loving everyone, is a sinner/respector of persons, and doesn't judge according to law but operate a "kangaroo Court".

That's not the "GOD" described in my Bible.

 

[Brother Bob]

Helen you really touched a nerve. 79 posts already and you posted today.