If certain "Baptists" don't believe the Bible is God's Holy Word,

Jesus and the bible are ONE! Inseparatable!

Jesus didnot speak lies, as the whole Bible is truth.

And if you are going to say that there are errors in the Word of God, The Bible. Then who is going to pick and choose which parts are false? And then at the same time you are saying Jesus LIED?

 

Jesus is the Son of God, a Person of the Triune God and the One Who has given Himself for us.

The Bible is God's written revelation to humankind.

They are not one. They are not the same. Christ exists independent of the Bible and the parts of the Bible (Old Testament) appeared before the Incarnation. Do not confuse them or you slip into heresy.

Agreed -- Jesus did not speak lies and the Bible is truth. The Bible is fully reliable for faith and practice and Jesus Christ is our Living Guide in faith and practice.

The written word of God is true and fully reliable, but our copies have some variant readings. The divine truth that God has chosen to give to us (the word of God) is fully preserved in the frailties of human language and the varient readings. All doctrines taught by the scripture are true. All opinions presented in the scripture (for instance, Paul's opinions that he specifically stated that he did not receive from the Lord -- see 1 Corinthians 7:12 and 2:25 as examples -- are worth study and consideration, but they are not "God's Word" because Paul specifically said they are not.

It's not a matter of finding the "false" parts but of properly understanding what is being said -- extracting the timeless truths from the historical setting and applying it to today's situation.

As far as Jesus lying, the question is a moot point since the lack of affirmation of inerrancy does not in any way lead someone to believe that Jesus lied about anything.

 

SheEagle911, out of respect for you, both Joshua and I recommended two widely respected, albeit progressive (liberal [?], well yes, to a good degree), resources that uses scripture to argue for the plausibility of a commited homosexual relationship; that you do not or will not avail yourself of these resources is your perogative, but it is disingenuous to suggest that published argumentation based on scripture has not been shared with you. In terms of nausea and hurling, well, personally, I would hope that you would refrain from such immature dialogue concerning positions to which you likely do not find agreement; however, how you choose to present yourself is entirely up to you.

[ September 01, 2002, 05:08 PM: Message edited by: Norm ]

 

SheEagle, Thank you! Just what I was going to post, but you beat me to it!

Again, Inseparatable!

 

I'm not sure why you quoted these verses but I suspect it may have something to do with my last post that made a clear distinction between the Bible and Jesus.

This passage is not talking about the Bible, it is talking about Christ -- the logos ("word" in Greek), a term from Greek philosophy that carries with it enormous significance presenting Jesus as the very expression of the Creator, among other things...

This is not talking about the Bible. The Bible did not become flesh and dwell among us (John 1:14)!

 

SheEagle, Thank you! Just what I was going to post, but you beat me to it!

Again, Inseparatable! </font>[/QUOTE]Again, not the Bible but Jesus... Ask one of your "conservative" brothers if you don't believe me.

 

SheEagle911: But, I didn't ask for published argumentation. I asked you and those who take your position to cite Scriptures, Chapters, and Verses, please. One would think one would be familiar with Scriptures which support one's position, especially if one were posting on the Baptist Board and calling oneself a Baptist.

Norm: SheEagle911, actually you were given more than you asked. These two resources offer sustained arguments, such that they will more fully engage one's being than is typically the case with bulletin board exchanges.

SheEagle911: What's the matter with you? Have you never been nauseated? Have you never hurled? Have you never had emesis? I know these phrases are not phrases generally used by the intellectual elite, but they are normal bodily responses to subjects which are not only sickening and repulsive, but sinful, (according to Scripture, see below) as well.

Norm: You are being silly again, for I assume that you are an adult that has at some point in your life encountered people that have thoughts different from your own regarding subjects important to you and that you are able to control yourself accordingly. If you truly have these problems when others write responsibily on matters to which you disagree, I would suggest that your training in the medical field would suggest you seek medical help to help resolve these problems.

SheEagle911: I dare say, sir, (without getting too graphic), if one just thinks about such a relationship between two men (or two women), any normal person finds that dirty, disgusting, perverse, and nauseating. As someone who has worked in an emergency room for a number of years, I can guarantee you that when patients have been brought in having to go to surgery for removal of foreign objects after engaging in such behavior, it is literally nauseating and sometimes life threatening. Not to mention spread of disease. And for you to come on this board after how many is it? 12 posts? to promote this behavior, I find the position you have taken more than nauseating.

Norm: The homosexual relationship does not appeal to me, either, but I am able to appropriately function in discussions related to it. I would not suggest that what you have shared is neither accurate nor saddening, but in terms of inserted objects and diseases, homosexuals do not have a lock on such practices and consequences that have caused distress among involved parties. In terms of promoting homosexual behavior, well, you will have to do better than this to make your case; all I have done is suggest that more progressive and liberal biblical scholars and theologians offer responsible and plausible argumentation for a committed homosexual relationship, and if one wishes to review such argumentation, "here" is where one can learn more of it. It has not been my purpose to take a position and argue for or against homosexuality (as such debate is occuring in another thread to which I am not a part).

SheEagle911: Romans Chapter One!
[18] For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
[19] Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
[20] For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
[21]Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
[22] Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
[23] And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
[24] Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
[25] Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
[26] For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
[27] And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
[28] And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
[29] Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
[30] Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
[31] Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
[32] Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Norm: Seems Paul captures all of us at some time or another.

 

SheEagle911: SheEagle911: But, I didn't ask for published argumentation. I asked you and those who take your position to cite Scriptures, Chapters, and Verses, please. One would think one would be familiar with Scriptures which support one's position, especially if one were posting on the Baptist Board and calling oneself a Baptist.

Norm: SheEagle911, actually you were given more than you asked. These two resources offer sustained arguments, such that they will more fully engage one's being than is typically the case with bulletin board exchanges.

SheEagle911: Hmmmm....seems like a copout to me. Perhaps you're not familiar with the Bible?

Norm: If that is what you choose to believe, well, that's fine.

Norm: If you truly have these problems when others write responsibily on matters to which you disagree, I would suggest that your training in the medical field would suggest you seek medical help to help resolve these problems.

SheEagle911: Interesting comments for a new BB poster to make after just a few posts....hmmm.

Norm: If you don't, then, afterall, have these physical problems, that is great.

Norm: all I have done is suggest that more progressive and liberal biblical scholars and theologians offer responsible and plausible argumentation for a committed homosexual relationship...

SheEagle911: I am not interested in "more progressive and liberal biblical scholars and theologians, I am interested in what the Bible says, Chapter and Verse. [/b]

Norm: Do you own a commentary? A theological work from a scholar or writer in which you admire?

SheEagle911: By the way, Norm, I didn't catch your introduction when you hopped on the Baptist Board! That is considered good manners when you join in discussion on here, did I happen to miss it? I'm sure all of us would be interested in when you were born again and why you are a Baptist.

Norm: If I have violated the policies of this board and if my forum behavior does not meet the standards of this board, I am confident that I will hear from the moderators. You do have my real first name and a statement about Christ that I hold as true, and other information, too. Is SheEagle911 your real first name? No need to reply; SheEagle911 is fine with me.

 

Who spoke the red letters in the Bible?

The red letters are Jesus's words, are they not?

Isn't "ALL" scripture the inspired Word of God?

And who is the Word of God?

So Scripture and Jesus are inseparatable!

 

Hello, Justified. OK, you worship a quadripartite God. Interesting.

 

" W O W ! "

 

WARNING: personal attacks are a violation of BB rules. This is a warning. Next step is dealing with persons guilty subject to BB rules. In other words, let's be more mature about this, okay? Play nice....

 

Red letters were colored in by a printer and Modern Editor. Are you placing faith that they "got it right".

Red letters indicate what are "thought" to have been words from Christ. But with translation problems, copies of copies, the Catholic "corrections", we have to be careful when making a blanket statement that these are the actual words of Christ.

Red letters were put there to make it easier to read and know when Christ is talking, nothing more.