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If God is Not Sovereign, Then There is No Grace

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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
FAITH = the assurance of what we hope for and the certainty of what we do not see.

Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith,

Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes,

If you do not believe then you will not be saved.
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So you admit that Christ is a possible Savior. That's blasphemy. The Christ of scripture a actual Saviour of His people.
 
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Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
@Silverhair



Believe what? You believe in a potential savior, you said it yourself. That's not the Jesus of Matt 1: 21
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Well since all the Jews were not saved then that must mean that you have misunderstood what this verse is telling us.

Christ was the savior for all His people but only those that freely trusted in Him would be saved. Or do you think people that do not believe are saved?
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
Well since all the Jews were not saved then that must mean that you have misunderstood what this verse is telling us.

Christ was the savior for all His people but only those that freely trusted in Him would be saved. Or do you think people that do not believe are saved?
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It's not about All Jews it's all ethnic groups included. And He saved His people from their sins not made it possible. I hope that's the Jesus you believe in
 
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Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
It's not about All Jews it's all ethnic groups included. And He saved His people from their sins not made it possible. I hope that's the Jesus you believe in
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So did He save all those ethnic groups BF? Remember it does not say *to save some people* but "to save His people"

I believe in the Jesus we find in scripture not the one you have found in your calvinism.
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
So did He save all those ethnic groups BF? Remember it does not say *to save some people* but "to save His people"

I believe in the Jesus we find in scripture not the one you have found in your calvinism.
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Matt 1:21 is His Church, His body. He is the Savior of His Body Eph 5:23-27

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
 
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Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
Matt 1:21 is His Church, His body. He is the Savior of His Body Eph 5:23-27

23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word,

27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish.
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BF you did not even address the question.

Try again

So did He save all those ethnic groups BF? Remember it does not say *to save some people* but "to save His people"
 
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Silverhair

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Brightfame52 said:
You proclaim a god who possiblely saves. That's not the Great God of the Bible
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Wrong BF God, I have said this over and over but it seem to go right over your head.

Only God saves but He only saves those that freely trust in Him. That is a concept that you just cannot grasp BF either that or you just refuse to accept it.

His desire is that all will be saved, that is possibility, but all are not saved are they. But as is the usual way for many calvinists to deal with topics they do not like you have twisted what was said.
 
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Brightfame52

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Silverhair said:
Wrong BF God, I have said this over and over but it seem to go right over your head.

Only God saves but He only saves those that freely trust in Him. That is a concept that you just cannot grasp BF either that or you just refuse to accept it.

His desire is that all will be saved, that is possibility, but all are not saved are they. But as is the usual way for many calvinists to deal with topics they do not like you have twisted what was said.
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You said God made Salvation possible!
 
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