If God is silent what should the preacher do?

[Luke2427]

Ok. I'll respond to Post #46. You said that we must have a text that says heart and voice alone. Does scripture ever say that?

Did the prophet tell Naaman that he was to wash in the Jordan river only, or alone? No. He told Naaman this: "Go and wash in Jordan seven times, and thy flesh shall come again to thee, and thou shalt be clean." The words only or alone never appear in that text, although it is obvious that every other river in the entire world is being excluded from being used as a means of healing in this case.

What you are doing is placing your view onto the word of God instead of taking it from the word of God.

The only places the NT speaks of worshipping God in song in the NT church it tells us how to do it. It tells us to sing with the spirit and with the understanding, and to use two instruments - the heart and voice. Scripture isn't silent. We aren't free to use whatever instruments we want. God has told us what He wants us to do. He told us the instruments to use. Had the NT remained silent, we'd have liberty to use whatever instruments we wanted. But it isn't silent. God has spoken.

No sir. What you are doing is filling in the gaps with your own doctrine.

Naaman would not have been healed had he not gone to Jordan. The instruction was clear. The directions were to go to Jordan.

The instruction in the new testament is not as clear concerning worship. This is no doubt because god gave us a worship book, the largest book of the Bible, in the Old Testament. Everyone knew well what God loves in worship. As to your "sacrificing lambs" argument- we all know, including you, why we don't do that. That was a type which was fulfilled by Christ's sacrifice on the cross. Shadows stop at the feet of He who casts them.

Follow your logic- Jesus said they that worship God must worship him in spirit and in truth.

That's it. No voice. No heart. Just spirit and truth. If people use anything but spirit and truth, based on your logic, they are violating Jesus demand that men worship God in spirit and truth.

Of course they are not, because Jesus never intended for that to be exclusive. We can also worship him with tithes and offerings and we can worship him with psalms and hymns and spiritual songs and we can worship him with up raised hands, etc...

What you want to do is eisegesis on this heart and voice concept making it exclusive when obviously it is not.

 

[The Archangel]

The only places the NT speaks of worshipping God in song in the NT church it tells us how to do it. It tells us to sing with the spirit and with the understanding, and to use two instruments - the heart and voice.

I might have missed this...but where does the New Testament specifically state to use "heart" and "voice?"

The Archangel

 

[RAdam]

Ephesians 5:19 and Colossians 3:16

 

[RAdam]

Paul talked about singing with the spirit and with the understanding also. There is your spirit and truth.

 

[The Archangel]

Ephesians 5:19 and Colossians 3:16

Ok. Those verses are:

Ephesians 5:19--addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart,

Colossians 3:16--Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom, singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, with thankfulness in your hearts to God.
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So, then...where are you getting this: "It tells us to sing with the spirit and with the understanding, and to use two instruments - the heart and voice."

How, then, is the heart an instrument? Where does it specifically state that the only instrument to be used is the voice?

The Archangel

 

[Luke2427]

Ok. Those verses are:

Ephesians 5:19--addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart,

Colossians 3:16--Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly, teaching and admonishing one another in all wisdom, singing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, with thankfulness in your hearts to God.
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So, then...where are you getting this: "It tells us to sing with the spirit and with the understanding, and to use two instruments - the heart and voice."

How, then, is the heart an instrument? Where does it specifically state that the only instrument to be used is the voice?

The Archangel

It doesn't. This is why I started this thread. Thousands of preachers are infected with a deadly hermeneutic which makes them more popes than ambassadors for Christ. From thence churches are unnecessarily split, heresies are born, the name of Christ gets a black eye and doors are slammed shut for the gospel.

 

[Truth Files]

If the Lord is silent then the preacher should shut up on the related issues

Tell it like it is .... stick with the scriptures

On insight and spiritual matters related to the cares of this life:

Good things come to those that wait ..... not to those who hesitate

So hurry up and wait upon the Lord .... for His answers

His holy spirit will lead you into all truth .... but presumptious thought and second guessing the Lord will produce nothing but confusion