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"If You Are Doing This ONE Thing, You May Not Be Saved"

JesusFan

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I don't know the answer. One very well may not be saved. He may also be saved and backslidden. I know we like to focus on sexual sin, and we should, but do we give the same weight to telling lies, greed, etc?
To me it hinges to a great extent on how that person actually views their sinful behavior, do they agree with God is sinning, and seek to confess it to Him, and trying to deal with the issue, and those who see no problem and just accept that as being normal and right!
 

SavedByGrace

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God delivers all of His elect from sin - obviously even the elect still have a fleshly nature while they remain on this earth - but God will not lose of His elect for they are in Christ and God cannot lose Christ.

so the "elect" can turn away from following the Lord, as some do; and live worldly lives, as some do, and YET, because they are "elect", they are saved and going to heaven?

This is what Jesus Christ says to this:

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’" (Matthew 7:21-23)
 

JesusFan

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so the "elect" can turn away from following the Lord, as some do; and live worldly lives, as some do, and YET, because they are "elect", they are saved and going to heaven?

This is what Jesus Christ says to this:

“Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’" (Matthew 7:21-23)
The saved can live as a pig in the slop and muck for a season, but will not remain there and will come back to get cleaned off!
 

KenH

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so the "elect" can turn away from following the Lord, as some do; and live worldly lives, as some do, and YET, because they are "elect", they are saved and going to heaven?

1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
 

JesusFan

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1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.
The pig can put on fine clothes, learn the terminology and actions, but in the end, sow returns to its own vomit!
 

George Antonios

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I like this guy. I subscribe to him on Youtube.

If you don't want to watch the brief video, I'll give you the skeleton outline.

He gives some questions to answer about Jesus Christ and salvation and about some lifestyle teachings of the Bible that most Christians believe and adhere to.

The ONE thing that MAY mean one is not really saved, he says, is treating Christianity like a "buffet". Taking what you want and rejecting what you don't want.

Some examples:
  • Saying, "Yes, I believe in Jesus, but I am gay and that is just who I am. I am not changing."
  • Saying, "Yes, I believe in God and Christ, but my girlfriend and I just don't want to get married. We will just live together until it feels right to be married. We aren't going to change"
  • Saying, "Yes, I believe in Christ and I go to church, but my porn addiction is too strong. And besides, it isn't hurting anyone. I'm not going to change."
  • Saying, "Yes, I trust God for salvation, but I can't deal with this baby right now and besides, my boyfriend doesn't want it either. I'm getting an abortion. I'm not going to change."
He says this "buffet" style of Christianity, which in my opinion includes other things like deliberate and incessant gluttony, drunkenness, bitterness and hatred, greed, lying, adultery, and a whole lot more that Christians will NOT let go of, is not true Christianity.

He says they MAY, MAY not be saved. He said he isn't talking about Christians in bondage and in need of rescue nor baby Christians who don't know and haven't been instructed properly.

He said he is talking about people who treat the teachings of God like a buffet. Choosing what's "right" for them and what "doesn't work" for them. In essence, shaping their own religion

I think he is right. Do you?

If You're Doing this ONE Thing, You May Not Be Saved - YouTube

There is not a single Christian that has died without a number of unrepentant sins.
Sins are much more than fornication and gluttony.
 

SavedByGrace

Well-Known Member
There is not a single Christian that has died without a number of unrepentant sins.
Sins are much more than fornication and gluttony.

And how do you know that?

There are many very godly Christians who do not have unrepentant sins because they walk very closely with the Lord
 

George Antonios

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And how do you know that?

There are many very godly Christians who do not have unrepentant sins because they walk very closely with the Lord

Yeah, if you only define sin as "smoke, chew, and hang with those that do".
But if you bear in mind that sin involves fully yielding to the will of God in our lives, including those things he allowed which we are bitter about, forgiving our worst offenders from the heart, thankfulness, praise, faith, humility, non-bitterness, etc.
then no way.

I will die with unrepentant sins, and so will you [rude comment snipped]
 
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Scarlett O.

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There is not a single Christian that has died without a number of unrepentant sins.
Sins are much more than fornication and gluttony.
I absolutely never said anything that you have claimed I said.

Yes, people died with unconfessed sins every day. We cannot be fully conscious of every single sin we have committed over our lifetimes. I never said we confess and repent of every sin.

Yes, sins are MUCH more than fornication and gluttony. I never said they weren't.

What I DID say is that there are people who claim to be Christians who refuse to repent of a sinful lifestyle and instead embrace it, claim it as their own, claim that they are the exception, and that God will not hold them accountable for those sins - and I questioned if those people are saved in the first place.

Like homosexuals who claim that they are both gay, as they claim God made them that way, and saved.

Like people clinging to hatred of all types of people, reveling in mocking, bullying, and shaming and yet also claiming to be saved.
 

Scarlett O.

Moderator
Moderator
And how do you know that?

There are many very godly Christians who do not have unrepentant sins because they walk very closely with the Lord
SavedByGrace, in my opinion based on the knowledge that humans are not omniscient, I believe that there is no humanly way possible that we die having known 100% of all of our sins.
 

DaveXR650

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What I DID say is that there are people who claim to be Christians who refuse to repent of a sinful lifestyle and instead embrace it, claim it as their own, claim that they are the exception, and that God will not hold them accountable for those sins - and I questioned if those people are saved in the first place.

What you describe above is someone who has not been saved and any clergyman that gives such a person assurance is doing malpractice as a clergyman. But I do agree totally with George's post above also, in regards to our present state. I see a difference between what George said and your OP.
 

SavedByGrace

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SavedByGrace, in my opinion based on the knowledge that humans are not omniscient, I believe that there is no humanly way possible that we die having known 100% of all of our sins.

I am talking about Christians who do not "sin", and live holy and blameless lives. Are you suggesting that Enoch in the Old Testament is not one of these?

Genesis 5:24, "And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him"

I have no doubt that there are MANY like Enoch, as I have personally met some, whom we could call SAINTS!
 

SavedByGrace

Well-Known Member
Yeah, if you only define sin as "smoke, chew, and hang with those that do".
But if you bear in mind that sin involves fully yielding to the will of God in our lives, including those things he allowed which we are bitter about, forgiving our worst offenders from the heart, thankfulness, praise, faith, humility, non-bitterness, etc.
then no way.

I will die with unrepentant sins, and so will you [rude comment snipped]

please speak for yourself, and you know ZERO about me!
 

5 point Gillinist

Active Member
I am talking about Christians who do not "sin", and live holy and blameless lives. Are you suggesting that Enoch in the Old Testament is not one of these?

Genesis 5:24, "And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him"

I have no doubt that there are MANY like Enoch, as I have personally met some, whom we could call SAINTS!

Sinless perfection is a toxic and false teaching. The only point at which a Christian is totally free from indwelling sin is upon entering into heaven.
I wouldn't use that very small text as proof that Enoch was sinless, otherwise he entered heaven based upon his own merit, there are plenty of texts that mention people in passing, I hardly think you would make the case that they too were sinless.
1 John 1:8-10 would also be a text that disproves your claim to know sinless Christians.
 
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Van

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Since all we know (usually) about other posters is based on our interpretation of their posts, can we draw any conclusions about their obvious sinful practices found in their posts? I think yes, for we know them by their fruits. We can compare what they claim about scripture with what scripture actually says (or at least our understanding of what it actually says.) I think the most common sinful practice found on this board is a lack of candor, a lack of integrity when it comes to truth telling. Posting a person is mean spirited, then posting it was not a personal attack. Believing all 5 points of the TULIP but claiming not to be a Calvinist.
 

KenH

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Sinless perfection of God's elect is found only in having all of their sins imputed to Christ and the perfect righteousness of Christ imputed to them.

As long as we live in this flesh, we all should agree with the Apostle Paul - "O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!" - Romans 7:24-25
 
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