"If You Are Doing This ONE Thing, You May Not Be Saved"

[Scarlett O.]

I am talking about Christians who do not "sin", and live holy and blameless lives. Are you suggesting that Enoch in the Old Testament is not one of these?

Genesis 5:24, "And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him"

I have no doubt that there are MANY like Enoch, as I have personally met some, whom we could call SAINTS!

Even people we perceive as saintly sin.

Only God knows the heart and that is where sin originates. There is no sinless perfection. Certainly there are Christians who strive daily to walk with God, but even those Christians are not perfect.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Sinless perfection is a toxic and false teaching. The only point at which a Christian is totally free from indwelling sin is upon entering into heaven.
I wouldn't use that very small text as proof that Enoch was sinless, otherwise he entered heaven based upon his own merit, there are plenty of texts that mention people in passing, I hardly think you would make the case that they too were sinless.
1 John 1:8-10 would also be a text that disproves your claim to know sinless Christians.

Where did I mention sinless perfection?

I am talking about very godly Christians who are very close to the Lord.

What do you think that Jesus meant when he said "be perfect"? Is this something that is pointless for Jesus to have said?

 

[George Antonios]

I absolutely never said anything that you have claimed I said.

Yes, people died with unconfessed sins every day. We cannot be fully conscious of every single sin we have committed over our lifetimes. I never said we confess and repent of every sin.

Yes, sins are MUCH more than fornication and gluttony. I never said they weren't.

What I DID say is that there are people who claim to be Christians who refuse to repent of a sinful lifestyle and instead embrace it, claim it as their own, claim that they are the exception, and that God will not hold them accountable for those sins - and I questioned if those people are saved in the first place.

Like homosexuals who claim that they are both gay, as they claim God made them that way, and saved.

Like people clinging to hatred of all types of people, reveling in mocking, bullying, and shaming and yet also claiming to be saved.

And you are absolutely right. I read your post too quickly. I'm sorry it's my fault. God bless you.

 

[George Antonios]

I will die with unrepentant sins, and so will you [rude comment snipped]

? Who snipped my point that some of us, in which I included myself, might die without ever repenting of our contentiousness on this board? That was rather rude...and makes my point.

 

[George Antonios]

please speak for yourself, and you know ZERO about me!

Ah, the old pride got hurt at the suggestion that you would die with unrepentant sins, eh?
Thanks for making the point.
I don't need to know you, I know human nature. And your reply, again, proves the point.

We will all, sadly, die with unrepentant sins.

 

[JesusFan]

I am talking about Christians who do not "sin", and live holy and blameless lives. Are you suggesting that Enoch in the Old Testament is not one of these?

Genesis 5:24, "And Enoch walked with God; and he was not, for God took him"

I have no doubt that there are MANY like Enoch, as I have personally met some, whom we could call SAINTS!

ALL saved are saints to God, and none of them ever reached a sinless perfection state, actually, closer they walked with God, more aware of their own sins!

 

[JesusFan]

Sinless perfection is a toxic and false teaching. The only point at which a Christian is totally free from indwelling sin is upon entering into heaven.
I wouldn't use that very small text as proof that Enoch was sinless, otherwise he entered heaven based upon his own merit, there are plenty of texts that mention people in passing, I hardly think you would make the case that they too were sinless.
1 John 1:8-10 would also be a text that disproves your claim to know sinless Christians.

The very moment any confess to be in a sinless perfection state, they just sinned and broke it!

 

[JesusFan]

Where did I mention sinless perfection?

I am talking about very godly Christians who are very close to the Lord.

What do you think that Jesus meant when he said "be perfect"? Is this something that is pointless for Jesus to have said?

ALL of us saved are in same position with God, its just that some of them actually do walk in a more worthy way!

 

[KenH]

What do you think that Jesus meant when he said "be perfect"? Is this something that is pointless for Jesus to have said?

The only way to live in God's presence is by being perfect. And the only way a person can be able to stand before God in perfection is by having Christ's perfect righteousness imputed to him. Christ was not kidding, Christ was not talking about some sliding scale of righteousness, Christ was not talking about some kind of sincere obedience or human effort; Christ was talking about a perfect righteousness. "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." - Matthew 5:48

 

[Aaron]

please speak for yourself, and you know ZERO about me!

No, your posts reveal a lot about you.

 

[5 point Gillinist]

Where did I mention sinless perfection?

I am talking about very godly Christians who are very close to the Lord.

What do you think that Jesus meant when he said "be perfect"? Is this something that is pointless for Jesus to have said?

Right here, I circled it for you.

 

[KenH]

Right here, I circled it for you.

Also, the poster referenced the term "saints". All of God's elect are saints. It is not a term reserved for some kind of non-existent "Super-Christian".

 

[kyredneck]

I don't think it is that simple. King David messes up the idea we can't love God and sin egregiously at the same time.

...his son Solomon too!

 

[JesusFan]

Right here, I circled it for you.

Well, Tom Selleck still has to this day almost "perfect" stash!

 

[JesusFan]

Also, the poster referenced the term "saints". All of God's elect are saints. It is not a term reserved for some kind of non-existent "Super-Christian".

He seems to be very confused as to what being a saint means as per the Bible!

 

[JesusFan]

The only way to live in God's presence is by being perfect. And the only way a person can be able to stand before God in perfection is by having Christ's perfect righteousness imputed to him. Christ was not kidding, Christ was not talking about some sliding scale of righteousness, Christ was not talking about some kind of sincere obedience or human effort; Christ was talking about a perfect righteousness. "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." - Matthew 5:48

wasn't Jesus speaking directly there to the Pharisees about how they were quick to judge only by outward appearances?

 

[kyredneck]

1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.

Not everyone that falls into sin/makes shipwreck of the faith is an anti-Christ. That's one of the most abused misused passages there is.

 

[KenH]

He seems to be very confused as to what being a saint means as per the Bible!

Yes. A saint is a term for a Christian, one of God's elect, a disciple of Christ: And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. So it was that for a whole year they assembled with the church and taught a great many people. And the disciples were first called Christians in Antioch. - Acts 11:26

 

[KenH]

Not everyone that falls into sin/makes shipwreck of the faith is an anti-Christ.

I agree. As I wrote early in this thread that Christians can get themselves into some awful messes.

 

[kyredneck]

Christ was not talking about some sliding scale of righteousness, Christ was not talking about some kind of sincere obedience or human effort; Christ was talking about a perfect righteousness. "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect." - Matthew 5:48

14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified. Heb 10