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If you are not Reformed, you cannot believe in eternal security

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JonC

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Difference between God choosing to accept based upon their own decision, and Him choosing them out based on His own decision!
I believe this, not pre-knowledge, is the main difference because it comes against the idea of election by decree. It places divine knowledge subject to contingent events rather than the other way around.
 

Reformed

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This is deceitful, you are claiming I said I am better than someone because I believed and they didn't. Quote me on that. This is the intellectual dishonesty I'm talking about.

From the Interwebz:
Intentionally committed fallacies in debates and reasoning are called intellectual dishonesty.


You know my heart? That's incredible. Again Red herring AND False Dichotomy, no third option?


Why did he not draw my neighbor? God doesn't get Glory out of Saved Souls?

John, I've actually encountered this question at a formal debate where both sides agreed to answer any question posed to them. The moderator of the debate asked this question to both participants. The Arminian participant, true to his word, answered the question honestly. He actually said that, as he formed his answer in his mind, he didn't like. Why? Because honesty compelled him to admit that there was something he brought to the table that the person who rejected Christ didn't. He couldn't bring himself to say that it was God who chose, and his response was a consequence, not a cause. In the end he said that the question left a gaping hole in his theology that he did't know how to fill. I give the man kudos for his honesty.
 

SovereignGrace

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what is there to answer? I do not know why the other guy isn't saved. Biblically, because he didn't believe. Edit...How you asked it is illogical. You are distracting with all the unnecessary details.

Those were very fair question that need to be answered. Why did the one not believe?
 

JonShaff

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Those were very fair question that need to be answered. Why did the one not believe?
It's not a fair question. I have no clue why he didn't trust Christ as his savior. The Bible has many answers to that, namely pride. How's your theology working out in the real world for ya? Leading tons of people to Christ? Discipling people left and right?
 

SovereignGrace

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It's not a fair question. I have no clue why he didn't trust Christ as his savior. The Bible has many answers to that, namely pride. How's your theology working out in the real world for ya? Leading tons of people to Christ? Discipling people left and right?
Yes it is a fair question, you just don't wanna answer it to show to shortcomings in your theology.

And my theology has led many to Christ. Granted, not too many around here want Christ in their life.

In your theology, you have man needing to do 'something' before he is saved. If they don't do 'x', then God won't save them. But if they do 'x', then God will. Who's in the driver seat in that? Man.
 

SovereignGrace

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How's your theology working out in the real world for ya? Leading tons of people to Christ? Discipling people left and right?

Why must you resort to these snide, snarky remarks? I have done my very level-headed best to be civil towards you, minus one ***sigh*** I have done just that. But you have done this at least three times now. :(
 
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