IFB compared to Baptist churches

[Don]

Phillip - I would guess that he went to Hyles-Anderson for a little while, or took some kind of extension course. To my knowledge, Hyles never participated in a college in Arkansas. As you indicate, this guy didn't finish with Hyles, but ended up his "education" through another school.

 

[John of Japan]

Here is a quote from the pastor on their website. In fair copyright law I post the following sample of his life-story:

"A few years later, I was led to a sound doctrine Bible believing church. Bible Baptist Church in Jacksonville, Arkansas. From there I recieved the calling to preach under Dr. Jack Hyles while attending pastor school. A few months after that I surrendered to the missions field of Aguascalientes, Mexico. I finished my Bible training at Bethel Baptist College in Jacksonville, Arkansas"
Obviously, someone name Dr. Jack Hyles was preaching and/or teaching in Arkansas. One of these colleges is not registered with the state as a college according to this same pastor -- the reason being they couldn't teach that being "gay" is a sin if the state were to have any authority. In reality whichever church that wasn't registered was put together by a group of people who had lower degrees and I guess gave each other degrees as part of their program to get the school started. If this is the famous Hyles, then why would the pastor be preaching in a church with about 80 attending church on the best of Sundays?

What was confusing was that "Files" was head of the Arkansas Baptist College. Then we have "Hyles" who as Don agrees never taught in an Arkansas Bible school, but preached there many times. We could then add to the mix an old IFB evangelist, Hugh Pyle! :smilewinkgrin:

The IFB pastor has some strange rules, for instance, they do sing contemporary music for specials, but he doesn't allow them to use background tapes, so they either have someone use an electronic keyboard or the piano (which is the standard musical instrument of a New Testament Baptist Church--just ask him.). I asked my daughter where he draws the line and she said in all honestly, "I think its the drums he won't allow." So, they really sinned last weekend.

Actually, I know other pastors who do not allow background tapes, not because they oppose them but because it is hard to predict what will come off them. (Hard rock?) An alternative is pastors who require them to be approved ahead of time, but that can cause hurt feelings.

As for drums, I don't think it's a sin to use them in church, but I'm uncomfortable with them in church myself. Note that the OT temple music did not use drums, though it was lively music, even though they were available from Egypt.

 

[John of Japan]

Yes, I do agree that Riplinger is a flat out liar and will twist her comments to fill in her mistakes, but it is funny to see him pull out her book, lay it on top of his KJB1611 (he thinks its 1611) and read from it about the "New Age Translations".

"New Age Bible" is a complete contradiction in terms. If a Bible is translated even very poorly, there is no way it can teach New Age doctrine. Riplinger is flat out nuts (not to mention being a two-time divorcee and unethical--just ask the Dean Burgon Society which recently broke from her.)

Your last comment is quite funny. We had a missionary from China who was well versed in Chinese and even married a Chinese woman who can now speak English as well. They use the only Chinese translation that is available that is a true translation and is used nationwide except where other languages are used. The pastor asked him if they translated it from the KJB. He said, well, I think they went to the Hebrew and Greek manuscripts and translated directly and the pastor says, I would have a lot of problems with that. I don't know why the Chinese people can't have a perfect Bible in their language if somebody would just translate it from a KJB1611 like we use.

There are no Chinese Bible translations in print in either Chinese or Japanese from the Textus Receptus or the KJV. Ruckmanites have a very hard time with this. One Ruckmanite pastor called a missionary friend of mine a liar because he said this. It seems Ruckman had said there was a "Japanese KJV."

 

[gb93433]

There are no Chinese Bible translations in print in either Chinese or Japanese from the Textus Receptus or the KJV.

What is the text they used to translate from?

 

[John of Japan]

What is the text they used to translate from?

The main Chinese version is the Chinese Union Version of 1906 (OT 1919), done from Nestle's (with reference to the ERV) in the NT I believe. (There are CUV-only Chinese Christians! :smilewinkgrin There is also a Chinese GNB-type version and one done by the "Local Church" cult of Witness Lee. There are a couple of other one man translations I believe, but the Communist gov. keeps strict tabs.

In Japan we have the Shinkaiyaku, like the NASB, which almost all conservatives use; the Classical (Nestle's and Masoretic); the Kohgo (Nestles in the NT) and the Kyohdoh (Confraternity), which ise UBS in the NT and (surprise!) the LXX in the OT!

 

[michael-acts17:11]

Well, I certainly can't spell in any language. Microsoft made a fortune on people like me with their spellcheck.

Here is a quote from the pastor on their website. In fair copyright law I post the following sample of his life-story:

"A few years later, I was led to a sound doctrine Bible believing church. Bible Baptist Church in Jacksonville, Arkansas. From there I recieved the calling to preach under Dr. Jack Hyles while attending pastor school. A few months after that I surrendered to the missions field of Aguascalientes, Mexico. I finished my Bible training at Bethel Baptist College in Jacksonville, Arkansas"

Obviously, someone name Dr. Jack Hyles was preaching and/or teaching in Arkansas. One of these colleges is not registered with the state as a college according to this same pastor -- the reason being they couldn't teach that being "gay" is a sin if the state were to have any authority. In reality whichever church that wasn't registered was put together by a group of people who had lower degrees and I guess gave each other degrees as part of their program to get the school started. If this is the famous Hyles, then why would the pastor be preaching in a church with about 80 attending church on the best of Sundays?

I do have good news, I heard my daughter and her husband visited my nephew's Southern Baptist Church this weekend and he laughed and said well, they may have felt I (my nephew - the pastor) was pretty liberal Sunday, He told me: "I didn't preach in a suit, some women wore nice pants and I didn't preach from the KJV." and the one that will send you to hell is the "drum set" used by local SBC churches. I hope my kids are starting to see the truth of the legalism at their church. I would like to be back in a church with them and get to see my grandkids weekly.

The IFB pastor has some strange rules, for instance, they do sing contemporary music for specials, but he doesn't allow them to use background tapes, so they either have someone use an electronic keyboard or the piano (which is the standard musical instrument of a New Testament Baptist Church--just ask him.). I asked my daughter where he draws the line and she said in all honestly, "I think its the drums he won't allow." So, they really sinned last weekend.

Here is another quote from his website to give you an idea of what he thinks of himself: " I have been here going on my sixth year, and God has used me to break attendance records several times and see more baptisms in the past six years than in the last twenty-two years of the church existence." Not bad for a church that averages about 60 on a good Sunday morning and 30 on a good Sunday night.

I am very familiar with Bible Baptist Church. I could name a dozen more just like it in within 40miles of Jacksonville. The extreme IFB's seem to thrive in the Southern States. The people are conditioned to blindly follow a self-proclaimed "man of God" without question or thought. I truly believe these churches are small cults. The feeling of relief, peace & spiritual freedom upon leaving them is nothing less than the removal of demonic influence from one's life. Satan is the accuser & oppressor of the brethren. Condemning, fault-finding, manipulative, oppressive churches are not of God.

 

[glfredrick]

I am very familiar with Bible Baptist Church. I could name a dozen more just like it in within 40miles of Jacksonville. The extreme IFB's seem to thrive in the Southern States. The people are conditioned to blindly follow a self-proclaimed "man of God" without question or thought. I truly believe these churches are small cults. The feeling of relief, peace & spiritual freedom upon leaving them is nothing less than the removal of demonic influence from one's life. Satan is the accuser & oppressor of the brethren. Condemning, fault-finding, manipulative, oppressive churches are not of God.

One at the end of every dead end road up the holler, with a sign out at the highway laying out their radical sepratism... :laugh:

Seen plenty in the backwoods of Kencucky. Would never dream of stopping in. People don't come back when they do that.

 

[Mexdeaf]

Are you referring to North Jacksonville (Near Chicago), Middle Jacksonville (Arkansas), or South Jacksonville (Florida)?:laugh:

 

[Winman]

"New Age Bible" is a complete contradiction in terms. If a Bible is translated even very poorly, there is no way it can teach New Age doctrine. Riplinger is flat out nuts (not to mention being a two-time divorcee and unethical--just ask the Dean Burgon Society which recently broke from her.)
There are no Chinese Bible translations in print in either Chinese or Japanese from the Textus Receptus or the KJV. Ruckmanites have a very hard time with this. One Ruckmanite pastor called a missionary friend of mine a liar because he said this. It seems Ruckman had said there was a "Japanese KJV."

John, is this a Japanese translation of the TR?

http://textus-receptus.com/wiki/Japanese_Textus_Receptus_Version

 

[John of Japan]

John, is this a Japanese translation of the TR?

http://textus-receptus.com/wiki/Japanese_Textus_Receptus_Version

Yes, it's called the Nagai Yaku ("Pastor Nagai's Translation") or the New Covenant Translation, unfortunately out of print. It was done by Pastor Nagai in 1938 in very difficult classical Japanese, an is the only complete NT up till now that was done from the TR. When we finish our Japanese NT it will be the first complete effort from the TR in modern Japanese. (There have been other efforts, and one group published Mark but then fell apart.)

Almost all of the page (that is input anyway) is the Nagai Yaku, but if I remember correctly 1 John is an effort by a Japanese man in Yokosuka connected with a house church by an American layman who doesn't speak Japanese.