IFB Leaders On Expository Preaching

[rlvaughn]

Well, yes, the book looks recent, so I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be online. As to whether it is worth the money, I'd have to know if they updated Strong's definitions.

That's the book that Yeshua1 mentioned above. Apparently not the one you are thinking about, which resource is really what Covenanter wanted to know.

Thanks.

 

[John of Japan]

That's the book that Yeshua1 mentioned above. Apparently not the one you are thinking about, which resource is really what Covenanter wanted to know.

Thanks.

Aha. Well that explains that--I have Covenanter on "ignore" ever since he asked the moderators if I was lying about my expertise.

The way to get expertise about Hebrew and Greek, just like any other foreign language, is by putting in the necessary study hours. I don't know of any online resource that can circumvent that, but one can get a top of the line software program like BibleWorks or Logos and get some help.

 

[Yeshua1]

James Strong edited his dictionary in the 19th century. Towards the beginning of the 20th century, many koine Greek manuscripts were discovered which gave much greater insight into the meaning of NT words than Strong ever had.

Well, yes, the book looks recent, so I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be online. As to whether it is worth the money, I'd have to know if they updated Strong's definitions.

They updated the definitions, and they also were able to upate any known errors in the prior numbering system, as theur system is now pretty much becoming the new standard. Their updated version of Hebrew/Greek words from Strongs is well worth the price.

 

[Yeshua1]

Please provide a link to where I can see them on line.

A New Numbering System for Greek New Testament Lexemes (2006)
NIV Word Study Bible with G/K and Strong's Numbers by John R. Kohlenberger III... for the Olive Tree Bible App on iPad, iPhone, Android, Kindle Fire, Mac, and Windows - Olive Tree Bible Software

 

[John of Japan]

They updated the definitions, and they also were able to upate any known errors in the prior numbering system, as theur system is now pretty much becoming the new standard. Their updated version of Hebrew/Greek words from Strongs is well worth the price.

Good to know.

 

[Salty]

James Strong edited his dictionary in the 19th century. Towards the beginning of the 20th century, many koine Greek manuscripts were discovered which gave much greater insight into the meaning of NT words than Strong ever had.

Well, yes, the book looks recent, so I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be online. As to whether it is worth the money, I'd have to know if they updated Strong's definitions.

John - thanks for the info - was not aware of the new discoveries.
and just for you - here is the Wiki article for the Concordance!


PS - with those new findings - how does that affect the KJV

 

[Yeshua1]

Good to know.

It makes bible studying much easier, and more precise!

 

[John of Japan]

John - thanks for the info - was not aware of the new discoveries.
and just for you - here is the Wiki article for the Concordance!

Thank you kindly.

PS - with those new findings - how does that affect the KJV

I can't give you anything right off the top of my head. That would actually be a research project into both the Greek and Elizabethan English, since as you know there are KJV words that have changed their meaning in 400 years.

 

[Yeshua1]

Thank you kindly.


I can't give you anything right off the top of my head. That would actually be a research project into both the Greek and Elizabethan English, since as you know there are KJV words that have changed their meaning in 400 years.

The new numbering system though includes updated definitions, and more accurate numbering, as it tracks more precisely the Hebrew/Greek behind the English version.

 

[John of Japan]

PS - with those new findings - how does that affect the KJV

My Petrine scholar son mentioned logikos in 1 Peter 2:2 as a very rare word we've learned much more about. The KJV translates it as "of the Word," but Friberg's Anlex has: "(1) rational, reasonable, belonging to the real nature of something (RO 12.1); (2) as belonging to the sphere of the mind and spirit spiritual (1P 2.2)."

So, the ESV and the original NIV both translate it as "spiritual."

 

[TCassidy]

So, the ESV and the original NIV both translate it as "spiritual."

As much as I love and value my old KJV, in this case I will agree with the NIV/ESV.

The Greek word λογικον is an adjective in the accusative case, singular, neuter.

It modifies γαλα which is a noun in the accusative, singular, neuter. (Agrees in Case, Number, and Gender - CNG.)

Perhaps "pure spiritual milk" or even "genuine milk" would be a good contemporary translation.

 

[John of Japan]

As much as I love and value my old KJV, in this case I will agree with the NIV/ESV.

The Greek word λογικον is an adjective in the accusative case, singular, neuter.

It modifies γαλα which is a noun in the accusative, singular, neuter. (Agrees in Case, Number, and Gender - CNG.)

Perhaps "pure spiritual milk" or even "genuine milk" would be a good contemporary translation.

I'm with you on this one.

 

[rlvaughn]

James Strong edited his dictionary in the 19th century. Towards the beginning of the 20th century, many koine Greek manuscripts were discovered which gave much greater insight into the meaning of NT words than Strong ever had.

Thanks. I figured your point was regarding the definitions. The use of Strong certainly shouldn't circumvent deeper study. But it is quick and readily available, and -- as a pastor -- the single source that my congregation is most likely to be familiar with and relate to. I think there are some slightly different considerations in the pastoral world than the academic world. I say this not as a Strong's sycophant. It never has been my favorite. I came around to it as a sort of "necessary evil." Even way back in the day I first owned and used Young's Analytical Concordance and still prefer it over Strong as a concordance.

 

[John of Japan]

Thanks. I figured your point was regarding the definitions. The use of Strong certainly shouldn't circumvent deeper study. But it is quick and readily available, and -- as a pastor -- the single source that my congregation is most likely to be familiar with and relate to. I think there are some slightly different considerations in the pastoral world than the academic world. I say this not as a Strong's sycophant. It never has been my favorite. I came around to it as a sort of "necessary evil." Even way back in the day I first owned and used Young's Analytical Concordance and still prefer it over Strong as a concordance.

I had Young's back in the day, too. Loved it!

There are a couple of brief lexicons from after the papyrii discoveries that do better than Strong's, if you still have enough college/seminary Greek knowledge: Souters Pocket Lexicon and Gingrich's Shorter Lexicon. Alternatively, I love the definitions in the Friberg Analytical Lexicon--easily understood, and accessible through various software packages. (I have it in BibleWorks and Bibloi.)

 

[rlvaughn]

Souter's Pocket Lexicon can be accessed online at least a couple of places, HERE and HERE, but I don't think Bauer and Gingrich is online.

 

[Yeshua1]

I had Young's back in the day, too. Loved it!

There are a couple of brief lexicons from after the papyrii discoveries that do better than Strong's, if you still have enough college/seminary Greek knowledge: Souters Pocket Lexicon and Gingrich's Shorter Lexicon. Alternatively, I love the definitions in the Friberg Analytical Lexicon--easily understood, and accessible through various software packages. (I have it in BibleWorks and Bibloi.)

What about the Lexicons by Louw-Nida for both hebrew and Greek?

 

[John of Japan]

Souter's Pocket Lexicon can be accessed online at least a couple of places, HERE and HERE, but I don't think Bauer and Gingrich is online.

You can get a 2nd hand hardback of Ginrich very cheaply at Amazon--well worth the price.

 

[TCassidy]

I had Young's back in the day, too. Loved it!

Me too. Still use it. In hard cover, of course.

I love the definitions in the Friberg Analytical Lexicon--easily understood, and accessible through various software packages. (I have it in BibleWorks and Bibloi.)

Does the fact I still use Friberg in hard cover mean I am getting old?

I don't think Bauer and Gingrich is.

I have BAG in hard back too. Now I am really feeling old.

I think I will take a nap!

 

[John of Japan]

What about the Lexicons by Louw-Nida for both hebrew and Greek?

If your looking for a short one, forget it. Louw-Nida is actually 2 volumes. I've used it, but don't like it much.

 

[John of Japan]

Me too. Still use it. In hard cover, of course.

Does the fact I still use Friberg in hard cover mean I am getting old?

I have BAG in hard back too. Now I am really feeling old.

I think I will take a nap!

I use Robinson's Anlex in hardback sometimes, but the software is so quick and easy. Catch up with the times! (And if that tires you, then take a nap. Hmm. Sounds good. )