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Discussion in 'Fundamental Baptist Forum' started by robycop3, Apr 6, 2019.

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  1. JonC

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    I agree. Like I said, we are in different situations. You bring up an interesting problem here. As a parent I would be concerned with a teacher correcting my child on a belief I strongly hold. I wonder, if the correction is successful, if ultimately it becomes a stumbling block for the child who now has reason to distrust his parents religion. As you point out, there are two options. Switch positions or weaken the view of the Bible being taught at one's church.

    It just seems a better solution would be to acknowledge the different positions and disallow proselytizing. I would think that consulting the parents of the KJVO child would be an important step before "correcting" the child's beliefs.

    But I am not in your position. I only know the struggles that have come about with friends who sent their children to a Presbyterian school. So my comments are not an argument but me "thinking aloud".
     
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    1) we do not speak English
    We speak American.

    2) How many of these 333 "King James era" words do your Granddaughters know?

    3) Just curious - how old are your granddaughters?
     
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    That's interesting. I went to public school and have since worked in four Christian schools and now a Bible college. In none of these was a course entitled "American Grammar and Composition" offered.
    About as many as these "easier to understand" words found in the NIV.

    Don't be curious...
     
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    Granted, "American" may not be officially be a separate language -
    but you must agree that there are several differences.

    IF your Granddaughters are 18 years old - they probably could understand most the KJV
    if they are 13 - would not be easy
    if they are 8 - it would be extremely hard for them to understand [/QUOTE]
     
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    From the last several posts, we can see Satan has succeeded in at least one of his aims in creating the KJVO myth. It's sewn argument and disagreements among Christians, both within and among congregations. Satan's other aim, I believe was to cast doubt upon several legitimate English Bible translations, including the KJV, from the backlash that develops in some peoples' minds about the validity of the KJV due to the arguments it seemingly produces.

    Still looking for more sources of its infesting the Baptist denomination, and IFBs in particular. I'm mystified by it, as we IFBs are generally the least-susceptible to man-made doctrines.
     
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  6. JonC

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    Uh oh. I use several of those archaic words. That makes me .... archaic as well :( .
     
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    Nope. Not going to say it. I am going to be nice. Ouch! I bit my lip so hard I am bleeding.
     
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    I am a member of a Facebook "fan" group for my preferred translation. We discuss the various different bibles available, and talk about the translation choices of the editors. Friendly stuff.

    Every few months we get "infiltrated" by advocates for a different translation, who proceed to read us the riot act before the group admins can remove them.
     
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    Which begs the question, "What's your preferred translation?" (I promise not to read you the Riot Act if it's not mine!)
     
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    Evidence of erroneous KJV-only reasoning/teaching infesting independent Baptists can be seen in the 2003 book entitled The Need for An Every-Word Bible--A Layman's Guide for Understanding the King James Bible Issue by Jack Hyles. Hyles did not have this book published while he was alive, but it is said to be transcribed from Hyles' own preaching at his church on Wednesday nights.

    Jack Hyles said: "You say, 'Brother Hyles, do you mean if there is one word wrong in the Bible, you have to throw everything else away?' That's exactly what I mean!" (p. 39).

    Hyles said: "I believe that every word in the King James Bible is the Word of God and I believe it always was" (p. 139).

    Hyles said: "Every single word of God has been preserved in the King James Bible, the only Bible! All the other versions that add to, take away, or change the King James Bible are satanically inspired" (p. 97).

    Hyles said: "God is the Author of the King James Bible" (p. 29).

    According to Hyles "all or nothing" reasoning concerning Bible translations including the KJV, he suggests that the 1611 KJV should be thrown away if there was one word wrong in it. Hyles should have known that there were actual errors [actual wrong words] in the 1611 edition of the KJV so why did he mislead his congregation with such erroneous KJV-only reasoning?
     
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    Evidently, Hyles missed "Thou shalt not commit adultery" (Ex. 20:14) in his KJV. being a former cop, I had 'sources' to check out the veracity of the adultery accusations against him, & when I found they were true, I lost all respect I had for him.
     
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    [/QUOTE]
    He noted that 4 of the 7 could read, so unless there's a huge age difference between the readers and non-readers, those readers are probably in the "not be easy" and "hard for them to understand" age groups. They've probably also had considerable exposure to the KJV and have learned the lingo.
     
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    KJVO has no support fr0m either the scriptures or textual criticism in regards to the TR/KJV being only correct ones to use. One can support a preferred, but not only view.
     
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    One would be required though to be fluent in the original languages in order to be able to judge English translations, correct?
     
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    Yet the reality is - IFB and even denominational Fundamentalists buy into the KJV-Only myth with teeth bared and claws displayed... it boggles my mind.

     
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    Not necessarily fluent - but having a working knowledge (especially of grammar) and a solid Greek/English dictionary or lexicon would be greatly helpful.
     
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    You would then agree that we need to know at least something of the Hebrew/Greek in order to judge any English translation as good or bad?
     
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    Certainly, at least some linguistic knowlege is a helpful tool.

     
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    This is very interesting to me. I have not spent a whole lot of time debating on message boards - but I have never before seen a non-KJB-Onlyist recognize that the scripture does not directly tell us what books belong in the canon, and understand the significance of that point.

    That being said, I believe the canon of scripture certainly contains 66 books and only 66 books, with no additions to Daniel or Esther. I believe that God providentially decided on and preserved the canon.

    In the same way that God decided which books appeared in his Bible, I believe God also decided which specific words and verses were to appear in his Bible in English, and providentially selected the exact words and preserved them to this day.

    I will make an assumption (perhaps foolishly) that believers on this thread agree with me that there are 66 books in the canon. I will go out on a limb and suggest that believers on this thread are certain there are 66 books in the canon. If you fall into this category, my question for you would be why do you have certainty as to which specific books are in the English Bible but are not certain as to which specific verses and words are in the English Bible?

    And do you have any scriptures that directly or indirectly support your case?
     
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