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Ignoring Bad Lyrics
- Thread starter Dr. Bob
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We shouldn't drift. We shouldn't be hearers only.
There's times at my Church that I won't sing certain songs or lyrics.
There's a CCM song that says "You are good" dozens of times or something. I purposefully stop singing at that point and think of God's actual attributes that MAKE Him Good. His holiness, justice, mercy, grace, creation, craftsmanship, love, etc.
There's another song that says something along the lines of "You died on the cross primarily because your love for us was so great". I refuse to sing that and think of God's majesty and His Glory, which is why He died on the cross for us. It's true that He loves us, but He did what He did for His glory primarily, and rightfully so.
There's a CCM song that says "You are good" dozens of times or something. I purposefully stop singing at that point and think of God's actual attributes that MAKE Him Good. His holiness, justice, mercy, grace, creation, craftsmanship, love, etc.
There's another song that says something along the lines of "You died on the cross primarily because your love for us was so great". I refuse to sing that and think of God's majesty and His Glory, which is why He died on the cross for us. It's true that He loves us, but He did what He did for His glory primarily, and rightfully so.
Hard to get across to some folks that our salvation was a "collateral" result of the cross. To me, of course, it was THE purpose. He Saved ME!
I just didn't see the big picture.
But that makes salvation personal, too.
atpollard
Well-Known Member
It is strictly a personal thing with me, like not being able to eat meat if I knew it was offered to an idol … so I stand for any and every song that is focused on God, but I MUST (for conscience) sit for any song that sings of how lucky God is to have worshipers like us [there are a surprising number of songs that lift people at the expense of God’s glory].
I formerly worshipped at the the temple of nihilism and cannot ever return to anything that resembles that old life … it is like an alcoholic crossing the street and refusing to even walk near a bar.
“Reckless Love of God”
“Holy Water”
Two horrible songs played on Christian radio.
“Holy Water”
Two horrible songs played on Christian radio.
Still living in the past.
You should have followed up with the answer. What is the true body? Answer: the Communion of the Saints.
Mikey
Active Member
@Dr. Bob
next time listen to the only Protestant Requiem that I know that was ever written
The Brahms Requiem.
Brahms took scriptures that brought a message of hope, a message of victory over pain and sorrow.
The opening of “Blessed are they that morn” is some of the most stirringly beautiful ever written.
There just is nothing to compare this wonderfully delicate work that compliments the quotation of Scriptures in music. Even the great Messiah by Handel filled with the melismatic and layering does not but bow to this from Brahms.
Before I cross over, I desire once more to lead a choir, and that they sing this requiem. I would even sit in a section and sing if necessary.
Here it is presented in English: https://youtu.be/aNdtdiIxvq8
next time listen to the only Protestant Requiem that I know that was ever written
The Brahms Requiem.
Brahms took scriptures that brought a message of hope, a message of victory over pain and sorrow.
The opening of “Blessed are they that morn” is some of the most stirringly beautiful ever written.
There just is nothing to compare this wonderfully delicate work that compliments the quotation of Scriptures in music. Even the great Messiah by Handel filled with the melismatic and layering does not but bow to this from Brahms.
Before I cross over, I desire once more to lead a choir, and that they sing this requiem. I would even sit in a section and sing if necessary.
Here it is presented in English: https://youtu.be/aNdtdiIxvq8
I've noticed some of the most beautiful melodies are set to the most horrid lyrics.
Holy Spirit by Francesca Battistelli (sp?)
Elevation Worship
Bethel Music
I love the way a lot of it sounds, and I can appreciate what some of them are attempting to convey. But I can't endorse the content.
Therefore, I listen with my heart.
My mind is on God.
And I sing along.
I look past theological problems in the lyrics.
And sometimes it brings me to tears because I know God is listening.
Holy Spirit by Francesca Battistelli (sp?)
Elevation Worship
Bethel Music
I love the way a lot of it sounds, and I can appreciate what some of them are attempting to convey. But I can't endorse the content.
Therefore, I listen with my heart.
My mind is on God.
And I sing along.
I look past theological problems in the lyrics.
And sometimes it brings me to tears because I know God is listening.
Actually had a little girl about 4? Who came from a family of horrible theology sing a song one time in worship where she openly denied the Trinity
Sadly, many thought it was sooo cute even though you could tell she was making it up as she went along
how bout that?
there are many many songs which should never be sung
Sadly, many thought it was sooo cute even though you could tell she was making it up as she went along
how bout that?
there are many many songs which should never be sung
Hillsong warbler Brooke Fraser Ligertwood has likened her songs to "poo":
Rich Wilkerson Jr.: "I'm just curious, and I think other people are curious. Like, songwriting, like, where does like the initial idea come from, typically, for you?"
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Brooke: "Songs are like poo."
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Brooke: "Where there's life, there's mess, and that's the reality of humanity and being in church. And I think all of that manure, for all its stench and warmth, fertilizes. (giggles)."
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Rich Wilkerson Jr.: "I'm just curious, and I think other people are curious. Like, songwriting, like, where does like the initial idea come from, typically, for you?"
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Brooke: "Songs are like poo."
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Brooke: "Where there's life, there's mess, and that's the reality of humanity and being in church. And I think all of that manure, for all its stench and warmth, fertilizes. (giggles)."
from 3:00-6:00
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Scripture More Accurately
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I appreciate your efforts to promote good music, but I disagree profoundly with your teaching that music is neutral. There is not anything in the Bible to support such a notion.
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Perhaps, but at the same time there is not anything in the Bible supporting the idea that music carries a bias.
What about J.S. Bach's Mass in B Minor?
He also used pieces of the Latin Mass (Gloria, Kyrie, Sanctus) as separate works.
Perhaps you did not understand my point - music is black notes on white paper. THAT is "neutral". Now what is DONE with that - the performance or presentation - can be anything BUT "neutral". Sadly,
Scripture More Accurately
Well-Known Member
Maybe so. Lots of music, however, is not "black notes on white paper"; it is not notated.
All music that has ever been played or heard by humans is a collection of musical tones arranged or ordered in various ways. Do you believe that all of those collections of sounds are "neutral"?
The alphabet is neutral, but words are not.
The same with music. The dots, lines, spaces, symbols,… are neutral.
The manner of composition and performance is not.
Scripture More Accurately
Well-Known Member
On the contrary, Scripture does show that various collections of audible sounds--which is what instrumental music also is--are not neutral. Some are not acceptable to God and others are acceptable to Him.