IMO, the final throes of this drawn out facade....

[HankD]

Whenever those of us who support the president talk about the lack of evidence from the Mueller kangaroo investigation we are asked -

How do you know that?

But the marxist press blasts the president with stuff they make up much less for which they have no evidence.

Mueller has NO evidence of collusion.
evidence: There has been no actual impeachment process demanded for by the progressive left.

 

[Baptist Believer]

Whenever those of us who support the president talk about the lack of evidence from the Mueller kangaroo investigation we are asked -

How do you know that?

It's a valid question.

But the marxist press blasts the president with stuff they make up much less for which they have no evidence.

Actually, there's quite a bit of evidence if you want to look for it. Documents demonstrating that the President (while a candidate) was actively working to build a Trump tower in Moscow at the exact same time he publicly claimed he had no connections of business dealings with Russian, even after his sons had said repeatedly a few years before that the majority of their financing comes from Russia. I could go on and on and on, but there's no point if you are prejudiced against thinking rationally about the subject.

Mueller has NO evidence of collusion.

Covering your eyes and ears and repeatedly screaming those words do not make them true. You don't know either way.

evidence: There has been no actual impeachment process demanded for by the progressive left.

The investigation is not complete. Why is that so hard to understand?

 

[InTheLight]

evidence: There has been no actual impeachment process demanded for by the progressive left.

Democrat congressman pushes to impeach Trump

Democrat congressman pushes to impeach Trump: What to know about the process

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[HankD]

It's a valid question.


Actually, there's quite a bit of evidence if you want to look for it. Documents demonstrating that the President (while a candidate) was actively working to build a Trump tower in Moscow at the exact same time he publicly claimed he had no connections of business dealings with Russian, even after his sons had said repeatedly a few years before that the majority of their financing comes from Russia. I could go on and on and on, but there's no point if you are prejudiced against thinking rationally about the subject.


Covering your eyes and ears and repeatedly screaming those words do not make them true. You don't know either way.


The investigation is not complete. Why is that so hard to understand?

This is a witch hunt plain and simple.

More ad hominen innuendo - ya, I'm irrational, prejudiced.

You still have a way to go with the insults though, Clinton and Obama beat you to it here in my irredeemable deplorability and bitterness clinging to my gun and bible.

Oh yes - also in my irrationality screaming with my prejudiced eyes and ears covered.

 

[HankD]

Democrat congressman pushes to impeach Trump

Democrat congressman pushes to impeach Trump: What to know about the process

Sent from my Pixel 2 XL

OK Addendum ; No impeachment process that has gone anywhere.

 

[Adonia]

How do you know this? Are you a member of Mueller's team? If not, then you are simply making an assertion without any evidence.

I have not heard otherwise. Will all the leaks that occur these days, surely we would have heard something by now.

There are a number of persons who have been indicted that have Russian connections that appear relevant. Manafort and Flynn are two screamingly obvious ones.

That proves nothing Hillary and Bill had "connections" with the Russians and got big money from them. Then her long time associates the Podesta brothers are entwined big time with the Russians also. If there was nor problem with them having ties with the Russians, what's the big deal about Trump's confidantes doing the same?

You have that all convoluted, along with some unsupported assertions and falsehoods thrown in. The "dossier" (actually a series of intelligence dispatches reporting what informants have said) has not been proven to be "fake."

It sure has, the ex - British spy himself has admitted as much.

I believe that is coming for members of the Trump campaign and administration, and perhaps for the President himself.

What's the charge? Robert Mueller has already said there was no collusion, and collusion is not a crime anyway. No, they have nothing on President Trump and his administration.

That is an unsupported assertion.

The IG's report is coming out soon. Brennen lied. Clapper lied. Comey lied. Why did Samantha Powers need to unmask people? Why did Susan Rice need to unmask people? Why weren't the intelligence agencies and Comey upfront about who paid for the UNSUBSTANTIATED dossier? Lies and subterfuge was the order of the day for those folks. This was government officials spying on other Americans who were members of the political opposition and that is totally unacceptable!

 

[Baptist Believer]

I have not heard otherwise. Will all the leaks that occur these days, surely we would have heard something by now.

You are assuming that the Mueller investigation would leak, just like a political agency. The press haven't been able to get anything out of the Mueller investigation except for what is written in indictments and argued in court.

That proves nothing Hillary and Bill had "connections" with the Russians and got big money from them. Then her long time associates the Podesta brothers are entwined big time with the Russians also. If there was nor problem with them having ties with the Russians, what's the big deal about Trump's confidantes doing the same?

Were they working as agents of a foreign power? Moreover, we need to understand that there are issues that have not been revealed yet.

It sure has, the ex - British spy himself has admitted as much.

Do you have evidence for this astounding claim? What Steele has stated -- which is quite evident for anyone who knows how intelligence works -- is that the dispatches which have been called a "dossier" were unverified raw intelligence. Some of the dispatches HAVE been verified through other means, some have not been verified or refuted yet -- at least, publicly.

What's the charge? Robert Mueller has already said there was no collusion...

When did he say such a thing? Jay Sekulow's recently leaked notes of questions the Mueller investigation wants to ask the President show a large percentage of questions center around collusion. That doesn't sound like an investigation that has dismissed that particular charge.

No, they have nothing on President Trump and his administration.

Says the person who doesn't even have the basic facts straight...

The IG's report is coming out soon. Brennen lied. Clapper lied. Comey lied.

Have you seen the Inspector General's report or are you just making assertions?

 

[Baptist Believer]

More ad hominen innuendo - ya, I'm irrational, prejudiced.

No innuendo. I'm claiming outright that you are not using reason and facts to inform your position. You have pre-judged (aka prejudice) and are making bold assertions about things where you have no information either way.

You still have a way to go with the insults though,

Not intended to be insults, but an intervention. You are acting irrationally. Calm down and let the investigation proceed and draw conclusions when there is evidence.

Oh yes - also in my irrationality screaming with my prejudiced eyes and ears covered.

That's a vivid picture of what so many people are doing, from the President on down. Shouting that there is "no collusion" and ignoring evidence to the contrary does not change reality.

 

[FollowTheWay]

War is inevitable. Had we had a coronation of our queen, we would be there already.

Based on what? Hillary stressed diplomacy but you don't accept that. You want war. I don't.

 

[FollowTheWay]

And this "probe" has found no evidence related to the original charge. Only minor players have been sanctioned and for deeds that have nothing to do with "collusion" or the election. This was always a bogus charge designed as an "insurance" policy just like FBI man Strouck said in his emails.

The Democrats are the guilty party. It was Hillary and the DNC who paid for the fake dossier that was then used by the criminal FBI agents and other rogue Obama officials to spy on Trump, the then Republican presidential candidate. The whole truth will come out and then for the sake of our Republic there better be indictments and then lengthy prison sentences for those that dared to attempt to smear President Trump and change the results of the last election.

It wasn't the Russians interfering in the election process, it was fellow Americans from the then ruling administration and as an American you should be as outraged as I am about that reality.

Sorry, you're in the vocal minority on this. Impeachment and will happen and Trump's guilt will be proven.

 

[Adonia]

Sorry, you're in the vocal minority on this. Impeachment and will happen and Trump's guilt will be proven.

Guilty of what offense?

Impeachment will only happen if the Dems take a majority of the Congress in the next election, and that does not mean Trump would be convicted and removed from office - that would be up to the Senate.

In other words, "impeachment" is like an an indictment. Billy Bob Clinton was impeached, but acquitted by the Senate. So, even if the Dems get the Congress (which is not assured) any trial is held in the Senate and with a Republican majority your hopes will be dashed. Sorry, but that is the way it is.

 

[Adonia]

Do you have evidence for this astounding claim? What Steele has stated -- which is quite evident for anyone who knows how intelligence works -- is that the dispatches which have been called a "dossier" were unverified raw intelligence. Some of the dispatches HAVE been verified through other means, some have not been verified or refuted yet -- at least, publicly.

There you have it, in your own printed words. The dossier is UNVERIFIED and admitted to by Mr. Steele himself. So what we have here is American security agents taking an UNVERIFIED dossier before a FISA court Judge and asking for warrants to investigate American citizens of the opposition party during a presidential election.

Such a thing is outrageous my friend, extremely outrageous and dangerous for the Republic which we are a part of. This action strikes at the very essence of who we are - the ability for us to engage in free, fair and open political debate and elections without fear of government intrusion by the political party of those currently holding power. And it was all set in motion by UNVERIFIED evidence. Unbelievable!

 

[HankD]

No innuendo. I'm claiming outright that you are not using reason and facts to inform your position. You have pre-judged (aka prejudice) and are making bold assertions about things where you have no information either way.


Not intended to be insults, but an intervention. You are acting irrationally. Calm down and let the investigation proceed and draw conclusions when there is evidence.

Deny, deny, deny...

 

[HankD]

Based on what? Hillary stressed diplomacy

Benghazi diplomacy?

Libya?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/na...bya-that-still-haunts/?utm_term=.dbb4543b2364

 

[777]

I have not heard otherwise. Will all the leaks that occur these days, surely we would have heard something by now.

You are wasting your time with these people - there have been multiple leaks in the Mueller investigation and don't you think an indictment in DC would be leaked? Not to mention Comey's involvement, Mueller has nothing but there's no convincing some people otherwise.

They can cling to their impeachment dreams for all I care - all the left and/or neverTrumpers are doing is to annoy Trump voters more with this charade - need all the turnout we can get this fall, so I hope they keep it up. But arguing with them is futile, they think this is some showdown between good and evil, and they are on the side of good. They are wrong again.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

The Constitution requires a 2/3 majority of the Senate to remove an impeached person from office. So, even if the Dems take the House and Senate, they can impeach Trump but they won't have the 2/3 in the Senate to remove him from office.

In other words, "impeachment" is like an indictment. Billy Bob Clinton was impeached, but acquitted by the Senate. So, even if the Dems get the Congress (which is not assured) any trial is held in the Senate and with a Republican majority, your hopes will be dashed. Sorry, but that is the way it is.

 

[Baptist Believer]

There you have it, in your own printed words. The dossier is UNVERIFIED and admitted to by Mr. Steele himself.

But that's not what you said. You have claimed it was a "fake dossier" and when I pointed out your error/lie, you double down on your assertion and claimed that "the ex-British spy himself has admitted as much."

The word fake, means something that is not genuine; counterfeit. The word unverified means not having been verified.

As I have mentioned before, the so-called dossier is a collection of raw intelligence reports. Some of the reports HAVE been verified, while others have not been publicly verified or refuted.

So your claim of a "fake dossier" is false, and you have pretty much admitted it by suddenly shifting to claiming it is unverified.

So what we have here is American security agents taking an UNVERIFIED dossier before a FISA court Judge and asking for warrants to investigate American citizens of the opposition party during a presidential election.

You are repeating the Fox News talking points made upon the release of the Nunes memo, but have you actually checked out that story?

If you look at the Nunes memo (which is a partisan document), item 5 reveals that the investigation was not based on the Steele documents. Information regarding George Papadopoulos "triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016." Moreover, we know from other sources that Carter Page had already been under surveillance for his interaction with a Russian spy ring a few years before, as well as other activities.

Beyond all of that, if the Steele documents came to light without any of this drama around them, the FBI would still be obligated to look into the allegations. If documents like this turned up regarding Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama, I'm sure you would be on my side of this and expect the FBI and other intelligence agencies to do some due diligence to see if the unverified reports were credible.

And you seem to think that the American intelligence officials and FISA courts are politically-motivated institutions that would naturally be used against an "opposition party." That says terrible things about your political philosophy.

Such a thing is outrageous my friend, extremely outrageous and dangerous for the Republic which we are a part of. This action strikes at the very essence of who we are - the ability for us to engage in free, fair and open political debate and elections without fear of government intrusion by the political party of those currently holding power. And it was all set in motion by UNVERIFIED evidence. Unbelievable!

Your inability to know the different between the meaning of "fake" and "unverified", your one-sided view of the facts, and your assumption that intelligence agencies and the FISA courts would naturally be used for political purposes is horribly dangerous to democracy.

Moreover, your view that intelligence/investigative agencies should only consider verified evidence is quite odd. The whole purpose of having intelligence/investigative agencies is to gather and VERIFY information. That is what is "unbelievable" to me.

 

[Baptist Believer]

...there have been multiple leaks in the Mueller investigation...

Please name a few of the leaks and how you know they came from the Mueller investigation.

 

[HankD]

By the same token - How do we know anything is true with the propaganda dissemination and fake news of the marxist press the voices of the DNC?
A strategic core of marxism - mix lie and truth but present it as truth. polarize the masses - divide and conquer.

Guilt by association - Liberal strategists:

Saul Alinsky
https://archive.org/stream/RulesForRadicals/RulesForRadicals_djvu.txt

Bill Ayers - Demand the Impossible!: A Radical Manifesto.

Tactics: Deny, Deny, Deny. Overwhelm the sheeple with "credentials", The 3 "I"'s Insult, Innuendo, Intimidation.

Then go back to the core - the DNC, the Party of Death - Abortion, euthanasia and eugenics.

Yes eugenics - Hillary was a supporter of Margaret Sanger.
Sec. Clinton Stands By Her Praise of Eugenicist Margaret Sanger

The Democrat Party was once my party- I still call myself a JFK Democrat.
It has been infiltrated by socialists and marxists - If they can convince the sheeple - so be it, but not me.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Guilty of what offense?

Impeachment will only happen if the Dems take a majority of the Congress in the next election, and that does not mean Trump would be convicted and removed from office - that would be up to the Senate.

In other words, "impeachment" is like an an indictment. Billy Bob Clinton was impeached, but acquitted by the Senate. So, even if the Dems get the Congress (which is not assured) any trial is held in the Senate and with a Republican majority your hopes will be dashed. Sorry, but that is the way it is.

That will come out of the investigation (or not). Mueller is conducting this in the right way, not leaking that kind of information until he's ready to issue an indictment. These and guilty pleas have already occurred. Where there's smoke there's fire.