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In defense of the King James Bible and doctrine

Salty

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We of the KJV ONLY belief believe what God said when He said "He will preserve His word" We believe God preserved His inherant breathed ....
and that is exactly where we disagee!

The beliefs of the King James translators provide insight into their approach.
  • Verbal Inspiration — All translators believed in the verbal inspiration of the Scriptures, affirming the divine origin of the text they were translating.
  • No Claim of Divine Inspiration — There is no evidence that the translators claimed their work was divinely inspired or inerrant.
  • Qualifications — The translators were among the most learned men of their time, well-qualified for the task.
  • Prayerful Approach — Each translator was a man of prayer, indicating their reverence for the task, though not claiming divine guidance.
 

Armchair Apologist

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Dear Brother David Lamb ... you asked a great questtion "Why not translate the original Hebrew and Greek directly into Spanish?"
We of the KJV ONLY belief believe what God said when He said "He will preserve His word" We believe God preserved His inherant breathed Word in the English language in the KJV, just like He preserved His word thousands of years ago in every major world Western language.
Since it is impossible to translate exactly from one language ((Greek into English for example)) into another, God chose to preserve His bible in the KJV. Yes while I realize this idea will cause many to scribble furiously,:)> It is a question that needed to be answered! Thankyou Bro David :)
You acknowledge that it is impossible to translate exactly from one language to another which therefore makes a "perfect" translation impossible unless God "divinely inspired" the translation of the King James Bible! This matter of "secondary" or "double" inspiration is a sticky point between the Ruckmanite KJVO types (who promote this) and the more mainstream KJVO crowd (Pensacola Christian College, West Coast Baptist College, Heartland Baptist Bible College, Crown College, Etc.)

If you actually believe this (double-inspiration) then I would say that the onus is upon you to make the case for this.

I believe you would have to also give explanation regarding all of the variants in the King James Bibles that are in circulation today (Word, Thomas Nelson, Cambridge, Oxford, Bearing Precious Seed, etc.)
 

Logos1560

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We of the KJV ONLY belief believe what God said when He said "He will preserve His word" We believe God preserved His inherant breathed Word in the English language in the KJV, just like He preserved His word thousands of years ago in every major world Western language.
Your view of preservation seems to be inconsistent. According to what the Scriptures state and according to the definition of preservation, would not a consistent, sound, scriptural view of Bible preservation be true both before, in, and after 1611?

Baptist pastor and KJV defender Glenn Conjurske suggested that many KJV-only advocates “have never yet understood so much as the meaning of the word ‘preservation’” (Olde Paths, Jan., 1997, p. 14; Bible Version, p. 177). Glenn Conjurske asserted: “In its very nature preservation must be continuous, from beginning to end” (Ibid.). Glenn Conjurske added: “The ‘final form’ of anything which is preserved is just the same as it was the first day of its existence, and every day thereafter. This is the meaning of ‘preservation, and is certainly necessary to their doctrine of perfect preservation” (Ibid.; Bible Version, p. 177). Glenn Conjurske concluded: “The very meaning of ‘preservation’ necessitates that he [God] should keep it pure always, and not merely that he should restore it to purity after the passing of hundreds of years” (Bible Version, p. 63). D. A. Waite asserted: “Bible ‘preservation’ that is not ‘perfect’ is not ‘preservation’” (Fundamentalist Deception on Bible Preservation, p. 117). Glenn Conjurske asserted: “We can have no restoration, no final form, no coming into being, of anything which has been preserved in perfection” (Bible Version, p. 178).

Glenn Conjurske wrote: “If God has actually promised to preserve his word in perfect purity, 1611 is much too late to begin keeping that promise” (Olde Paths, Sept., 1995, p. 198; Bible Version, p. 63). In another issue, Glenn Conjurske asserted: “The King-James-Only traditionalists have ransacked both Testaments—and wrested and contorted them too—in order to produce some promise or prophecy which will secure the perfection of their standard” (Sept., 1996, p. 196; Bible Version, p. 16). Glenn Conjurske maintained: “The assumption that we may apply the supposed promises to one Bible, and not to another, is absolutely groundless. No promise of Scripture is dated, and if any promise of Scripture secures the infallible working of the Holy Ghost for the production of a perfect translation, that promise must be as applicable to one version as to another” (pp. 196-197).
 

Lewis HB

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You all are saying that you don't know what the word of God is? That all you have is confusion? Just a host of opinions where no one really knows anything? That is a really sad place to be.
All this kinda reminds me of what Satan asked Eve "hath God said?"
 

Conan

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You all are saying that you don't know what the word of God is? That all you have is confusion? Just a host of opinions where no one really knows anything? That is a really sad place to be.
All this kinda reminds me of what Satan asked Eve "hath God said?"
Why are you that naive to believe that we believe that? We study the Word of God. Because a Bible may choose other words does not make it more confusing.


Here is what the KJV Translators said under the section called

"An Answer to the Imputations of Our Adversaries"

"Now to the latter we answer; that we do not deny, nay we affirm and avow, that the very meanest translation of the Bible in English, set forth by men of our profession, (for we have seen none of theirs of the whole Bible as yet) containeth the word of God, nay, is the word of God. As the King's speech, which he uttereth in Parliament, being translated into French, Dutch, Italian, and Latin, is still the King's speech, though it be not interpreted by every Translator with the like grace, nor peradventure so fitly for phrase, nor so expressly for sense."
 
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Lewis HB

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May I repeat your quote ""Because a Bible may choose other words do not make it more confusing.""
May I point out that >>>other words give other meanings?<<< Change critical doctrines??

All of the new "bibles" omit verses( yes many thousands of them) to change the context and therefore doctrine.
A CLASSIC EXAMPLE: in Acts chapter Eight ALL of the new bibles OMIT verse 37 to promote the false doctrine the baptism saves a person!
This happens in hundreds of places in the New testament! The KJV says:

36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
Reference Romans 10:9-13

Baptism has nothing to do with salvation; it is what a beliver does to publically proclaim his saving faith in Jesus.

Lewis
 

Conan

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May I repeat your quote ""Because a Bible may choose other words do not make it more confusing.""
May I point out that >>>other words give other meanings?<<< Change critical doctrines??

All of the new "bibles" omit verses( yes many thousands of them) to change the context and therefore doctrine.
A CLASSIC EXAMPLE: in Acts chapter Eight ALL of the new bibles OMIT verse 37 to promote the false doctrine the baptism saves a person!
This happens in hundreds of places in the New testament! The KJV says:

36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
Reference Romans 10:9-13

Baptism has nothing to do with salvation; it is what a beliver does to publically proclaim his saving faith in Jesus.

Lewis
The extra words in Acts are missing from 90% of the Greek manuscripts. God did indeed preserve his Words in the Greek, the Language God used to write the Original Greek New Testament in. If Original, there would be no reason they are missing from so many. It is far more likely the words were added in a smaller number of Greek Manuscripts.
 
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