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My friend, you have only been provided God's Word which are not my words but God's and you do not believe them. In response you provide your own words so your argument is with God not me. Only God's Word is true and we should believe and follow them. Ignoring God's Word does not make them dissappear.

 

Yep! It is not rocket science. Not sure why the others think you can have repentance without God's Word or a knowledge of the truth. If there is no Word there is no faith and if there is not faith there is no repentance *ACTS 17:30; EPHESIANS 1:13; ROMANS 10:17.

 

In Acts 2:37, their "belief" at this point was "mental assent" that Jesus was the Messiah and they were guilty of crucifying Him, but that is not saving belief yet. They still lacked trust and reliance in Jesus Christ alone for salvation which explains why they still needed to repent and place their faith in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. Repent (change of mind) -- new direction of this change of mind -- faith in Jesus Christ alone for salvation.

These Gentiles in Acts 10:45 received the gift of the Holy Spirit (compare with Acts 2:38 - the gift of the Holy Spirit) and this was BEFORE water baptism (Acts 10:47).

In Acts 10:43 we read ..whoever believes in Him receives remission of sins. Again, these Gentiles received the gift of the Holy Spirit - Acts 10:45 - when they believed on the Lord Jesus Christ - Acts 11:17 - (compare with Acts 16:31 - Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved) BEFORE water baptism - Acts 10:47. This is referred to as repentance unto life - Acts 11:18. Repentance and faith are two sides to the same coin and are inseparable in obtaining salvation. (Acts 20:21)

Faith in Jesus Christ "implied in genuine repentance" (rather than water baptism) brings the remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Spirit (Luke 24:47; Acts 2:38; 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:8,9; 16:31; 26:18). *Perfect Harmony*

 

Your contradicting yourself and here is your error. According to your own words they had a belief of the truth to begin with. Can't have repentance without a knowledge of the truth *ACTS 17:30; EPHESIANS 1:13; ROMANS 10:17.

Hope this helps

 

Of that we agree.

 

Who would ever teach that someone would repent without a knowledge of the truth? Repent out of thin air? Not me. These Jews in Acts 2:38 who were told to repent were not without a knowledge of the truth from Peter in Acts 2:22-37, which resulted in them being cut to the heart and believing that they were guilty of crucifying the Messiah, which is not saving belief yet, but in verse 40, we read that with many other words Peter testified and exhorted them, saying, “Be saved from this perverse generation, which ultimately led to the change of mind (repentance) that resulted in believing in Jesus Christ unto salvation.

Later, in Acts 10:43, we hear the apostle Peter clearly state that everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins. In Acts 11:17, we read that God gave them the same gift (Holy Spirit) as He gave us when we believed in the Lord Jesus Christ, (also see Acts 16:31) who was I that I could withstand God?” In verse 18 we see that this is referred to as repentance unto life. In Acts 15:8, we read - So God, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

So for someone to say that they truly repented, but do not believe in the Lord Jesus Christ/have not placed their faith in Christ for salvation is an OXYMORON. Also, for someone to say that they believe in the Lord Jesus Christ/have placed their faith in Jesus Christ for salvation but have never repented is also an OXYMORON.

 

We agree, we were elected according to the foreknowledge of God, meaning He formulated His redemption plan before the foundation of the world, and then carried out His plan during our lifetime including our individual election for salvation through faith in the truth.

This is the only view that is supported by all scripture.

 

Hmmm? You did! Here is the conversation below...

Response by 37818....

Your support for 37818's post above...

Your responding post...

Here you clearly support your friends false teaching that you can have repentance before God's Word and faith. Glad you changed your mind though.

 

Well, at least the scriptures are correct and you have changed your order a little. The scriptures you have provided however do not say that we have sanctification and repentance before we believe God's Word (faith). Sanctification and repentance comes by believing God's Word *ROMANS 10:17. This is a false teaching that you and Mailmandan are promoting. We are saved by Grace THROUGH FAITH *EPHESIANS 2:8 and whatsoever is not of faith is sin *ROMANS 14:23; He that BELIEVES NOT is condemned because he has not believed *JOHN 3:18. How can you have sanctification and repentance if you do not believe God's Word? Yep this is a false teaching the two of you are promoting.

 

There was no false accusation. You were indeed provided scripture to show that God's Word comes before faith from the post provided and sent you earlier that showed that we need God's Word and we need to have a knowledge of it and believe it before we can have repentance. No one is arguing what the meaning of repentance is so this is simply a strawman distraction.

These were the scriptures provides to you earlier that you choose to ignore...

This post is only sent in love and as a help to you. My prayer is that you may receive it in the Spirit it was given (love)

Hope this helps

 

Your original post here...

Your recent post here...

I only said a little..

God bless

 

Nope, I read your OP and it is wrong. Faith comes by hearing and heaing by the Word of God *ROMANS 10:17. If you have no Word how can you have Faith when Faith comes by the Word? You cannot.

 

The call comes after the Word *ROMANS 10:17 although God can draw us through his Spirit to the Word.