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The Doctrines of Election and Sovereign Grace magnify the Grace of God. If God had not chosen some to salvation no one would be saved!
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The Doctrines of Election and Sovereign Grace magnify the Grace of God. If God had not chosen some to salvation no one would be saved!
OldRegular
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Very well put for a hillbilly, especially one from Eastern Kentucky who got kicked out of bloody Breathitt.
Grand children make growing old bearable, actually a pleasure!
The reason you find it impossible for God to send your little granddaughter (or any baby) to hell is because deep down inside you KNOW that baby is perfectly innocent and has not hurt anyone EVER. Your granddaughter is not a sinner!
Almost NOBODY believes babies go to hell, because God's law is written on man's heart and man intuitively knows babies are not sinners.
But because of false doctrine, men must invent more false doctrine to explain the first false doctrine away. This is how infant baptism started, and false doctrines like the Immaculate Conception.
And even here folks believe babies are saved without faith in Jesus which is SERIOUS error.
No, babies are not sinners, they have never gone astray and need no repentance. Jesus himself spoke of these persons.
Luk 15:7 I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.
Mat 18:12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?
13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.
14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.
That whole passage in Matt 18 corresponds to John 3:1-7
It begins Matt 18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. John 3:7
Converted from what to what? And this also would include little babies.
My best guess:
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. 1Cor 15:45,50
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
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Jesus had just picked up a small child and placed him in the midst of all the disciples. That is when he told them they must be converted and become as little children to enter the kingdom of heaven.
Do you really believe Jesus was telling his disciples to become wicked little sinners?
Absurd.
And what does this have to do with flesh and blood entering heaven? If a child dies, it's spirit goes to heaven, but it's flesh and blood remains here awaiting the resurrection just like everyone else. So, what kind of argument is that?
We inherit our body from our parents, but scripture shows we receive our spirit and soul from God.
Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Romans 9:11 tells us that Esau and Jacob had done no evil in their mother's womb. If they had died in the womb, where would their body go? Where would their spirit go?
Thought that was "Beautiful Breathitt?"
Breathitt County has much to offer!
Visit one of our beautiful parks, fish in our rivers and lakes, take a scenic drive in your car or on your motorcycle and view the amazing quilts painted on some of the barns throughout the county but don't get too enthralled or you may miss some of the elk roaming about.
Breathitt County has plenty of other things to offer such as Buckhorn Lake State Resort Park, golfing at Sugar Camp Golf Club, or treasure hunting at Morris Fork Crafts.
Come to Beautiful Breathitt!
convicted1
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There's a sales pitch to anything..........
saturneptune
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On the serious side, I think it is great to watch board members change their position on doctrine by listening to the Holy Spirit in them and considering the posts of sane board members.
Now, if you are needing a sales pitch for Crum, you might post a sign that says "Move to Crum, Where the Sun Rises and Sets Everyday."
convicted1
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More like, "Move to Crum, WVa, where they have to pump sunshine in every day".
saturneptune
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Or............."Crum Wedding Chapel Now Open 9-5, Monday to Friday."
Is where the term crummy comes from?
Lol, Dad's clan were feud refugees out of Lee, next county over from Breathitt; best thing that could ever have happened, thank you LORD, ...
Reese and Savannah, our two youngest granddaughters, are now 'neighbors'. My daughter and SIL finally got a home built this past summer on property they've owned about six miles away 'as the crow flies'. I luv it. Thank you LORD.
Babies in hell is no more horrendous than the doctrine that those who have never heard the gospel are going to hell, or Gentiles outside the Mosaic covenant in OT times went to hell. Hardline restrictivism is an awful doctrine born from flawed soteriology.
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Then how do you know that God would never throw YOUR granddaughter in hell?
Because I know that God is good and just and judges righteously.
What is the proper judgment for a wicked sinner?
Where did I say anywhere Jesus told anyone to become wicked little sinners.
Wicked sinners isn't spoken of anywhere in John 3:1-7 either. Not one word is spoken of there of sin.
You have read sin in the use of the word flesh.
Jesus is telling Nicky that flesh can not enter the kingdom of God the very exact same thing Paul is saying in 1 Cor 15:50 flesh and blood cannot inherit, enter the kingdom of God. How did the children of Israel inherit the land. By entering therein.
BTW nothing in either passage says anything about entering heaven. Nothing said about anybody going to heaven, the throne of God.
For me, the wicked sinner, God has provided:
14 For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For that which I do I know not: for not what I would, that do I practise; but what I hate, that I do.
16 But if what I would not, that I do, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17 So now it is no more I that do it, but sin which dwelleth in me.
18 For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me, but to do that which is good is not.
19 For the good which I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I practise.
20 But if what I would not, that I do, it is no more I that do it, but sin which dwelleth in me.
21 I find then the law, that, to me who would do good, evil is present.
22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23 but I see a different law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity under the law of sin which is in my members.
24 Wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me out of the body of this death?
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then I of myself with the mind, indeed, serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin. Ro 7
I believe before the foundation of the world it was appointed for man to die.
After death there would be judgement.
Adam was told that in the day he ate, sinned, "dying thou dost die." and by his sin that death came to all men, therefore: There are none righteous, no not one.
However also before the foundation of the world it was foreordained for the Christ to shed his sinless blood for the redemption of those to whom it would be assigned, "dying thou dost die."
There would be none of them righteous but because the Christ would shed his blood for them and the Christ received the promise of God they also could be imputed with the righteousness of God through the faith of Christ having received the promise becoming the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen.
For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it. Rom 8:25,25
What are we with patience waiting for?
adoption expecting -- the redemption of our body; Verse 23 YLT
As KYredneck posted: Wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me out of the body of this death?
After death there would be judgement.
Adam was told that in the day he ate, sinned, "dying thou dost die." and by his sin that death came to all men, therefore: There are none righteous, no not one.
However also before the foundation of the world it was foreordained for the Christ to shed his sinless blood for the redemption of those to whom it would be assigned, "dying thou dost die."
There would be none of them righteous but because the Christ would shed his blood for them and the Christ received the promise of God they also could be imputed with the righteousness of God through the faith of Christ having received the promise becoming the substance of things hoped for the evidence of things not seen.
For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for? But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it. Rom 8:25,25
What are we with patience waiting for?
adoption expecting -- the redemption of our body; Verse 23 YLT
As KYredneck posted: Wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me out of the body of this death?
Answer your own question. What is the proper judgment for a wicked sinner?
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