Influential Pastor Warns of Socialism, Departure from God

[saturneptune]

Are we not already asleep at the wheel?

HankD

We have been asleep at the wheel since at least the 1988 election, and probably long before that.

 

[saturneptune]

I am in total agree with the posters who said the Lord blessed our founding and form of government. That was well over two hundred years ago. For those of you who are equating our present system, either side of the present political party system, with what we had at our founding, need to get your head out of the sand. There is nothing in our present form of government that should be blessed by the Lord, as it has perverted every principle taught in the Scripture. It is only because of mercy and grace we are even still here as a nation. Those who would even dare compare the garbage in Washington, either side, to a Holy God, either have no fear of Him or have a screw loose.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The nature of human beings never changes; it is immutable. Take Roman civilization for instance. Cicero (who I love for his definition of Politicians, " Politicians are not born, they are excreted)" :smilewinkgrin: always pushed for the Roman budget to be balanced, for the Treasury to be refilled, for public debt to be reduced, he wanted the arrogance of the generals to be tempered & controlled, wanted the Roman assistance to foreign lands to be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt, he wanted the mobs to be forced to work & not be dependent on the government for subsistence....most of all Cicero wanted prudence & frugality to be put into practice ASAP.

So my friends, Political & Economic unrest comes & goes; theories rise & fall. Man's ideas change, but not his inherent nature. That remains. So, if the present government is monstrous today-even criminal-it is not because their natures have become polluted, but because they, like spoiled rotten children, have not been taught better, nor disciplined & punished for their evil doings.

 

[windcatcher]

The nature of human beings never changes; it is immutable. Take Roman civilization for instance. Cicero (who I love for his definition of Politicians, " Politicians are not born, they are excreted)" :smilewinkgrin: always pushed for the Roman budget to be balanced, for the Treasury to be refilled, for public debt to be reduced, he wanted the arrogance of the generals to be tempered & controlled, wanted the Roman assistance to foreign lands to be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt, he wanted the mobs to be forced to work & not be dependent on the government for subsistence....most of all Cicero wanted prudence & frugality to be put into practice ASAP.

So my friends, Political & Economic unrest comes & goes; theories rise & fall. Man's ideas change, but not his inherent nature. That remains. So, if the present government is monstrous today-even criminal-it is not because their natures have become polluted, but because they, like spoiled rotten children, have not been taught better, nor disciplined & punished for their evil doings.

So what do we know?

God 'writes' the Bible.
Man writes his own history.

God tells the truth.
Man distorts the truth and writes it to favor his choices and his interest.... to cover and excuse his own nature and deny responsibility.

God exposes sin, judgement and offers salvation, cleansing, change.
Man denies sin, judgement, God, and devises his own evils to cover his own failures, and believe he can overcome his own problems by his inadequate solutions.

When our government was founded, the community included God in the equation as necessary for success; The leaders in government included a dependency on God for their success. But our government is now doing everything it can to deny God. The judicial institutions strike representation of God by name, book, and law out of our public institutions. For a while, people were impressed that science was pure... so a dual belief grew within the people... with a belief in God.... also a trust in science. With the advent and increase in publishing... other translations of the Bible in the English language expanded and questions about 'which Bible is true' developed a controversy in communities of faith and those of scholarship..... and profitability and fame depended on the outcome. Some of the scholarship behind the newer translations came out of the same schools that also gave academic credence to Darwin's theory of evolution...... and, instead of directly challenging with science 'the theory', science moved to establish the theory as fact.... and doubt was cast upon the Biblical explanation of creation.... for if science explained a natural origin.... where is God? Governmental systems developed which depended more on man's submission to man instead of man answering to God, and marxist-socialism thrives more upon this dependency and void created if belief in God is removed. The Darwin inspired faith in the socialism taught 'higher' institutions trickled down into and through major public universities and colleges into the textbooks of elementary and secondary education. The theory of evolution is no longer a 'biological' question. It is an accepted fact by many although it still betrays its certainty with 'theory' (in plain sight)... other studies ......economics, government, politics, social structure, etc., .......now 'evolves'..... ........And just as the news is 'free' but now controlled by those who own the media...... the history is controlled and limited by those who control the access to scholarship and grants to promote the angle which they want taught.... not to uncover and investigate and expose the truth.

 

[windcatcher]

A Bible lesson:

Act 4:10 Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, [even] by him doth this man stand here before you whole.

Act 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

Act 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
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Act 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

Act 4:32 ¶ And the multitude of them that believed were of one heart and of one soul: neither said any [of them] that ought of the things which he possessed was his own; but they had all things common.

Act 4:33 And with great power gave the apostles witness of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus: and great grace was upon them all.

Act 4:34 Neither was there any among them that lacked: for as many as were possessors of lands or houses sold them, and brought the prices of the things that were sold,

Act 4:35 And laid [them] down at the apostles' feet: and distribution was made unto every man according as he had need.

Act 4:36 And Joses, who by the apostles was surnamed Barnabas, (which is, being interpreted, The son of consolation,) a Levite, [and] of the country of Cyprus,

Act 4:37 Having land, sold [it], and brought the money, and laid [it] at the apostles' feet.
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ct 5:1 ¶ But a certain man named Ananias, with Sapphira his wife, sold a possession,

Act 5:2 And kept back [part] of the price, his wife also being privy [to it], and brought a certain part, and laid [it] at the apostles' feet.

Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back [part] of the price of the land?

Act 5:4 Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

Act 5:5 And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.

Act 5:6 And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried [him] out, and buried [him].

Act 5:7 And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
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It amazes me that so many take a portion of these scriptures and build a philosophy of government upon them. Yet no government of man conforms to obediance to Jesus Christ or supports the community of faith.

1) We see faith in Jesus as central.
2) We see the infilling or refreshing of the Holy Ghost which united them all in one spirit.
3) We see their willing resolve to share of their possessions so that none had need.
4) We see the obediant act of one person noted here as no doubt an act repeated by many others.
5) We see the misrepresentation of a couple for whatever their reasons, it was an apparrent misrepresentation by them that they were moved by the Holy Ghost to an act of obediance which they did not possess.

Finally,
we find no other example of this contained anywhere else in the scripture:

The question is....
Is this given in the scripture as an example to follow and if so to whom?
Could it not just as easily be
..... an example and fore taste of the kingdom of God?
..... a lesson in human nature, covetousness, deceit, and failure?
..... a lesson in what will not work until God does the preparation?

How do we miss these points and conclude it is an example for governments of man to follow?

The answer is..... we don't unless we destroy the resource by separating this from its context. So then, agreed or not, the very argument and support of basing socialism on the Bible is destroyed by not respecting the context of the very source (the Bible) upon which that arguement depends.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Wind catcher.....with all due respect, your dissertation is too wordy....I loose you half way though (perhaps because of my own sinful nature). Just distill it down to its most dramatic point (s) & then we can debate it. Thanks.

PS: Maybe it's me but I'm prone to fall asleep :sleep: on minister's during service. Or maybe its just age creeping in on me.