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Innocents Executed
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windcatcher
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Well the Bible says to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. So, don't you think perhaps she is better off? Do you suppose that she became a Christian to be saved from the consequences of her deeds or to the saving of her soul? Do you think it would be right, just, or fair, to overturn a conviction just because a person becomes a Christian or has good behavior? Do you think becoming a Christian should give one special rights? If so, then what about the alcoholic who becomes a Christian and remains off alcohol..... but still dies of cirrhosis of the liver anyway?Jim1999 said:
In the OP I counted 6 names: The least time served before the execution of their conviction was 6 years..... Most had more time to develop evidence and appeals.
Actually, it seems like there's more likelihood of one being the victim of a murder than falsely convicted of capital punishment offense. Making a statement like "If only one innocent person dies, it is one too many." is a false arguement against a system which works. Its like saying "if one innocent pedestrian gets killed by a car....it is one too many" is not a valid arguement against transportation.
NaasPreacher (C4K)
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While I in theory support capital punishment, I do have doubts about it. There is no doubt that innocent people have been executed. This a travesty that cannot be lightly dismissed..
We often quote the pre-law Noahic ruling that 'If any man shed blood by man shall his blood be shed.' and the Ecclesiastes passage about the swift execution of justice to support capital punishment. If we step back and look at these honestly, do they really give the right of a secular state to determine if a person should live or not.
I find it interesting that the same folks who say that Romans 13 does not require us to submit to 'ungodly' governments go on to grant that government the right to 'bear the sword' in capital punishment.
There is a lot more to this than we often like to admit.
We often quote the pre-law Noahic ruling that 'If any man shed blood by man shall his blood be shed.' and the Ecclesiastes passage about the swift execution of justice to support capital punishment. If we step back and look at these honestly, do they really give the right of a secular state to determine if a person should live or not.
I find it interesting that the same folks who say that Romans 13 does not require us to submit to 'ungodly' governments go on to grant that government the right to 'bear the sword' in capital punishment.
There is a lot more to this than we often like to admit.
All of what you say is very true.C4K said:
However, I do not see where anything in the NT contradicts or cancels out the death penalty. You would think that if it were wrong for the government to execute those who commit capital crimes, Jesus or the apostles would have made a clear statement to that effect. But what I see are statements such as Paul's in Acts 25:
For if I be an offender, or have committed any thing worthy of death, I refuse not to die: but if there be none of these things whereof these accuse me, no man may deliver me unto them. I appeal unto Caesar. (v. 11)
To whom I answered, It is not the manner of the Romans to deliver any man to die, before that he which is accused have the accusers face to face, and have licence to answer for himself concerning the crime laid against him. (v. 25)
Not to mention, while Jesus was on the cross would have been a perfect time for him to speak out against the injustice of the death penalty- He is the only TRULY INNOCENT man who has ever lived.
I have had the privilege of living in a country where the death penalty is outlawed- Mexico. It has always been a corrupt country and also happens to be one of the most dangerous countries in the world to live in right now. Life is cheap in Mexico- you can literally kill someone and buy your way out of jail. The Mexican government has even been considering re-instituting the death penalty- http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon...N-mexico_22int.ART.State.Edition1.4ebee09.htm
Like it or no, the death penalty actually is PRO-LIFE!l Why? Because it demands that men respect the value of life.
Certainly there have been innocent men executed- all of the apostles save the Apostle John were executed simply for preaching the Gospel. Jesus was executed. Surely a just and loving God would not want an innocent to suffer execution- or would He?
NaasPreacher (C4K)
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I always appreciate it when we disagree - you make me think instead of make me angry 
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I am still pondering this. There is no death penalty here either and respect for the law is at least as high as it is in the US. Repeat crime rates are also roughly the same.
I disagree with this though
The argument from silence is somewhat a weak basis to make a point. We cannot know what God would/should have done in His word.
. I am still pondering this. There is no death penalty here either and respect for the law is at least as high as it is in the US. Repeat crime rates are also roughly the same.
I disagree with this though
The argument from silence is somewhat a weak basis to make a point. We cannot know what God would/should have done in His word.
Magnetic Poles
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Amazing that Christians think an occasional innocent person getting executed is just fine. I guess unless you or a loved one are the person being killed, it doesn't matter. Love thy neighbor? Indeed!
C4K said:I always appreciate it when we disagree - you make me think instead of make me angry
I am still pondering this. There is no death penalty here either and respect for the law is at least as high as it is in the US. Repeat crime rates are also roughly the same.
I disagree with this though
The argument from silence is somewhat a weak basis to make a point. We cannot know what God would/should have done in His word.
We're just going to have to agree to disagree agreeably on that one. I'm just saying that if the death penalty was truly wrong, it would (or maybe 'should') have been clearly addressed in the NT.
Magnetic Poles said:
Another amazing thing is the willingness to base a non-C.P. stance on only man's words, completely ignoring the bible. It is thinking with the heart.
Nobody is shrugging off the innocents killed, if there were. We are just basing our opinions on scripture.
Andy T. said:
It is too many, but at least they have life and the possibility, though remote, that later evidencde, like DNA would prove their innocence and they be released. If they are executed and innocent there is no life and no chance of being set free when found innocent.
Bro. Curtis said:
I do not see bashing of scripture, but I see people wanting to ingore Christ's teaching on how we are to treat people.
Did you see the post where I gave the link to the innocent man in Texas?
Have a blessed day.
Here is another take on the issue at hand that makes some of the "Innocence Project" stats more clear and also highlights some of the other issues involved regarding the victim's families-
http://www.patrickcrusade.org/Limits_to_Doubt_in_Capital_Cases.html
http://www.patrickcrusade.org/Limits_to_Doubt_in_Capital_Cases.html
JustChristian
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He is one of the best modern American authors. I've read a number of his books (fiction).LadyEagle said:
Apparently, he's so good he causes people to doubt scripture.
Where will this guy spend eternity ? Or is it too judgmental for me to ask ?
Where will this guy spend eternity ? Or is it too judgmental for me to ask ?
What, you didn't read the fiction book being <edited to promoted - LE> ? If that ain't proof, yer just a hard-headed Bible thumper.......
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