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Interesting trip into the weeds

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Agreed, especially the part about JFK Jr.
In my younger days I liked and was interested in the reports about Tesla and after a little research I thought - How can this be so?
Then I began to wonder the other way.
He still seems a mystery to me.

Also, being a former JFK Democrat, I was interested in the Truman and JFK parts.

And I remember the days when Trump was the fair haired boy among the jet set and Hollywood loved him!

Remember the movies in which he had Cameo roles (Home Alone 2, The Nanny...)?

And Hob Nobbing with the aristocracy ...

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WHAT HAPPEN!? :)
 

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The John Birch Society was started here in Indianapolis. I never liked them and I still do not like them. Indianapolis no longer has a John Birch faction around. The old money families in Indianapolis are split between both parties but none of them are conservative Republican and none of them have a Christian worldview. Many of the old money families are now headed by grandchildren or great-grandchildren or have withdrawn from the public eye. At any rate, the John Birch Society is gone from Indianapolis.

As for Trump, it is my understanding that he did not graduate from Wharton but returned to the business world after a couple of years. I know of the same thing happening in one of the old money families here. Trump started out my renovating and selling an apartment complex in Cincinnati, Ohio, and I think that it since has been razed. I would say that Trump was just a typical real estate guy and knew how to get things done in the construction industry. There's no money in Indianapolis real estate right now and I imagine that the New York City market is a little slow also.

Also, I thought that his mother was from a poor family and was a servant in New York City. I never heard that she was from nobility. I think what helped Trump the most was that he was a TV star but I never watched his program at all. Also, Melania is very pretty and very intelligent and that helps him a lot.
 

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The John Birch Society was started here in Indianapolis. I never liked them and I still do not like them. Indianapolis no longer has a John Birch faction around. The old money families in Indianapolis are split between both parties but none of them are conservative Republican and none of them have a Christian worldview. Many of the old money families are now headed by grandchildren or great-grandchildren or have withdrawn from the public eye. At any rate, the John Birch Society is gone from Indianapolis.

As for Trump, it is my understanding that he did not graduate from Wharton but returned to the business world after a couple of years. I know of the same thing happening in one of the old money families here. Trump started out my renovating and selling an apartment complex in Cincinnati, Ohio, and I think that it since has been razed. I would say that Trump was just a typical real estate guy and knew how to get things done in the construction industry. There's no money in Indianapolis real estate right now and I imagine that the New York City market is a little slow also.

Also, I thought that his mother was from a poor family and was a servant in New York City. I never heard that she was from nobility. I think what helped Trump the most was that he was a TV star but I never watched his program at all. Also, Melania is very pretty and very intelligent and that helps him a lot.
My understanding is that Trump got a BS in Business at Penn after attending Fordham his first two years. Most people say they graduated from Wharton after they've gotten an MBA. Of course he has to make himself seem smarter than he really is.
 

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Trump never said that he graduated from Wharton. As I noted before, I knew a guy who left Wharton to go back to work so it is not unique among the very rich.

Edit: Illegal aliens pick oranges. :Alien:Alien:Alien
 
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Trump never said that he graduated from Wharton. As I noted before, I knew a guy who left Wharton to go back to work so it is not unique among the very rich.

Edit: Illegal aliens pick oranges. :Alien:Alien:Alien

Where Did Donald Trump Go to College? Did He Go to an Ivy League School?

The Washington Post reports that Donald Trump often cites his college background as evidence of his intellectual superiority. He graduated from the Wharton School of business at the University of Pennsylvania. But the achievement may not be as impressive as it initially sounds. According to the Post, “Trump did not get an MBA from Wharton; he has a much less prestigious undergraduate degree.”

Additionally, Trump didn’t spend his entire undergraduate career at Penn. “He was a transfer student who arrived at Wharton after two years at Fordham University, which U.S. News & World Report currently ranks 66th among national universities,” the Post explains. Trump reportedly had “respectable” grades at Fordham, but got into Wharton as a transfer student mainly because of an admissions officer who had gone to high school with his older brother.
 

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Where Did Donald Trump Go to College? Did He Go to an Ivy League School?

The Washington Post reports that Donald Trump often cites his college background as evidence of his intellectual superiority. He graduated from the Wharton School of business at the University of Pennsylvania. But the achievement may not be as impressive as it initially sounds. According to the Post, “Trump did not get an MBA from Wharton; he has a much less prestigious undergraduate degree.”

Additionally, Trump didn’t spend his entire undergraduate career at Penn. “He was a transfer student who arrived at Wharton after two years at Fordham University, which U.S. News & World Report currently ranks 66th among national universities,” the Post explains. Trump reportedly had “respectable” grades at Fordham, but got into Wharton as a transfer student mainly because of an admissions officer who had gone to high school with his older brother.

You know, the rich have all sorts of things going for them. So what? The old money rich that I knew were Dems and they did the same sorts of things. Education doesn't mean as much when you are already rich and have a job in the family business. The majority of the rich are Democrats so why are you complaining about what your own rich people do?
 

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You know, the rich have all sorts of things going for them. So what? The old money rich that I knew were Dems and they did the same sorts of things. Education doesn't mean as much when you are already rich and have a job in the family business. The majority of the rich are Democrats so why are you complaining about what your own rich people do?
I'm against the ultra-rich no matter what their party. They are driving down the standard of living for everyone else. One thing that increases what you're talking about is lowering or eliminated inheritance tax.
 

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I'm against the ultra-rich no matter what their party. They are driving down the standard of living for everyone else. One thing that increases what you're talking about is lowering or eliminated inheritance tax.

Now you are changing the subject because you started out by talking about how the Trumps used privilege to get some sort of an education for Donald and when I pointed out that rich Democrats in Indianapolis have the same problem in finding schools for their children who need some sort of education to help out in the massive family businesses. Now you want to tax the rich out of existence when they are mostly Democrats so that you have a civil war in your own party to rich people like Pelosi and Soros and socialists who have more or less taken over the Democrat Party. You are saying that if a Democrat works hard all his life and leaves money for his children and grandchildren that the government which taxed the money when he earned it should now take it away from his idiotic children who had to have special arrangements to get into colleges or go to obscure colleges that cater to the very rich. So you want to leave these Democrat children penniless because you covet the money for some reason?

And how is it lowering my standard of living if I got a better than average job with some rich Democrats who needed me for common sense? When times are bad, rich Democrats just decrease their spending--they are not hurt by it. When times are better, rich Democrats spend more money and more people have jobs. With the overwhelming majority of rich people being Democrats, people like you make no sense at all to me.

But I will give you one point. The United Auto Workers, who have been greatly helped by the improved economy and increased defense spending, are going to vote Democrat in 2020 even if it means layoffs and cutbacks and going back to the stagnant Obama economy for them personally.
 

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Now you are changing the subject because you started out by talking about how the Trumps used privilege to get some sort of an education for Donald and when I pointed out that rich Democrats in Indianapolis have the same problem in finding schools for their children who need some sort of education to help out in the massive family businesses. Now you want to tax the rich out of existence when they are mostly Democrats so that you have a civil war in your own party to rich people like Pelosi and Soros and socialists who have more or less taken over the Democrat Party. You are saying that if a Democrat works hard all his life and leaves money for his children and grandchildren that the government which taxed the money when he earned it should now take it away from his idiotic children who had to have special arrangements to get into colleges or go to obscure colleges that cater to the very rich. So you want to leave these Democrat children penniless because you covet the money for some reason?

And how is it lowering my standard of living if I got a better than average job with some rich Democrats who needed me for common sense? When times are bad, rich Democrats just decrease their spending--they are not hurt by it. When times are better, rich Democrats spend more money and more people have jobs. With the overwhelming majority of rich people being Democrats, people like you make no sense at all to me.

But I will give you one point. The United Auto Workers, who have been greatly helped by the improved economy and increased defense spending, are going to vote Democrat in 2020 even if it means layoffs and cutbacks and going back to the stagnant Obama economy for them personally.
I didn't say anything about taxing the rich out of existence. I just want for them to pay their fair share. The top tax rate is low by historical standards, the capital gains rate allows them to get an even lower rate on most of their income, and the estate tax threshold was raised to over $11M/taxpayer by the Republican tax law passed in 2017. This means that only about 2,000 estates are taxed every year. We need the tax revenue to help balance the budget. Remember the thing called fiscal conservatism?
 

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I didn't say anything about taxing the rich out of existence. I just want for them to pay their fair share. The top tax rate is low by historical standards, the capital gains rate allows them to get an even lower rate on most of their income, and the estate tax threshold was raised to over $11M/taxpayer by the Republican tax law passed in 2017. This means that only about 2,000 estates are taxed every year. We need the tax revenue to help balance the budget. Remember the thing called fiscal conservatism?

I recall that the Democrats doubled the national debt under the socialist Obama, is that what you are talking about? Fiscal conservatism deals with cutting spending not raising taxes. Since the Democrats are in control of the House at this time, what is Pelosi and that crowd doing to cut spending? And, no, no one wants to go back to FDR tax rates that even the unions denounced as unfair.
 

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I recall that the Democrats doubled the national debt under the socialist Obama, is that what you are talking about? Fiscal conservatism deals with cutting spending not raising taxes. Since the Democrats are in control of the House at this time, what is Pelosi and that crowd doing to cut spending? And, no, no one wants to go back to FDR tax rates that even the unions denounced as unfair.

US Debt by President by Dollar and Percent

Which President Increased U.S. Debt the Most?

The Top Five Contributors by Percent

Franklin D. Roosevelt: Percentage-wise, President Roosevelt increased the debt by the largest amount. Although he only added $236 billion, this was a 1,048 percent increase from the $23 billion debt level left by President Herbert Hoover.

Of course, the Great Depression took an enormous bite out of revenues. The New Deal cost billions. But FDR's major contribution to the debt was World War II spending. He added $209 billion to the debt between 1942 and 1945.

Woodrow Wilson: President Wilson was the second-largest contributor to the debt, percentage-wise. He added $21 billion, which was a 727 percent increase over the $2.9 billion debt of his predecessor. Wilson had to pay for World War I. During his presidency, the Second Liberty Bond Act gave Congress the right to adopt the national debt ceiling.

Ronald Reagan: President Reagan increased the debt by 186 percent. Reaganomics added $1.86 trillion. Reagan's brand of supply-side economics didn't grow the economy enough to offset the lost revenue from its tax cuts. That was partly because Reagan increased the defense budget by 35 percent.

George W. Bush: President Bush added $5.849 trillion, the second-greatest dollar amount. It was the fourth-largest percentage increase. Bush increased the debt by 101 percent from where it started at $5.8 trillion on September 30, 2001. That's the end of FY 2001, which was President Clinton's last budget.

Bush launched the War on Terror in response to the 9/11 attacks. The War on Terror included two wars. The War in Afghanistan cost $1.1 trillion and the Iraq War cost $1 trillion. They increased military spending to record levels of $600 billion to $800 billion a year.

President Bush also responded to the 2001 recession by passing the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act and the Jobs and Growth Tax Relief Reconciliation Act. He approved a $700 billion bailout package for banks to combat the 2008 global financial crisis. Both Presidents Bush and Obama had to contend with higher mandatory spending for Social Security and Medicare.

Barack Obama: Under President Obama, the national debt grew the most dollar-wise. He added $8.588 trillion. This 74 percent increase was the fifth-largest. Obama's budgets included the economic stimulus package. It added $831 billion by cutting taxes, extending unemployment benefits, and funding public works projects.

The Obama tax cuts added $858 billion to the debt in two years. Obama's budget increased defense spending to between $700 billion and $800 billion a year. Federal income was down, thanks to lower tax receipts from the 2008 financial crisis. He also sponsored the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act. It was designed to reduce the debt by $143 billion over 10 years. But these savings didn't show up until the later years.
 

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Reagan never advocated deficit spending, as you know. Nixon tried to decline to spend an approbation and the court ruled that he had to spend what Congress said to spend, as you know.

The Democrats like you want higher spending and higher taxes. The Democrats have bankrupted this nation. The Democrats control the House right now and are making no effort to reduce spending.

You do realize that illegal aliens pick oranges?
 

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Reagan never advocated deficit spending, as you know. Nixon tried to decline to spend an approbation and the court ruled that he had to spend what Congress said to spend, as you know.

The Democrats like you want higher spending and higher taxes. The Democrats have bankrupted this nation. The Democrats control the House right now and are making no effort to reduce spending.

You do realize that illegal aliens pick oranges?
Reagan talked a lot about reducing the debt and reducing the size of government. He did the exact opposite on both.
 

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Reagan talked a lot about reducing the debt and reducing the size of government. He did the exact opposite on both.

There you go again. Reagan never spent a dime. The Supreme Court ruled that the Constitution gave the House the power of the purse and that the President had to spend whatever Congress demanded be spent. How many times do you have to have that written to you?

Do you realize that illegal aliens pick oranges?
 

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There you go again. Reagan never spent a dime. The Supreme Court ruled that the Constitution gave the House the power of the purse and that the President had to spend whatever Congress demanded be spent. How many times do you have to have that written to you?

Do you realize that illegal aliens pick oranges?
"Reagan never spent a dime." That's a good one. I suppose you could say no president has ever spent a dime. They get other people to spend it for them. Except for Trump. He's spent a lot of our money. Yes, I realize that illegal aliens pick oranges. They also build buildings and golf courses for Trump. It's a crime to hire illegal aliens and I think we need to enforce it.
 

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"Reagan never spent a dime." That's a good one. I suppose you could say no president has ever spent a dime. They get other people to spend it for them. Except for Trump. He's spent a lot of our money. Yes, I realize that illegal aliens pick oranges. They also build buildings and golf courses for Trump. It's a crime to hire illegal aliens and I think we need to enforce it.

Don't be silly. Democrats ran Congress during the Reagan terms, as you know. Reagan never wanted half the stuff the Democrats squandered money on. No one wanted what Obama did. And Trump does not want the spending that the Congess is doing now. No wonder Democrats are so rich.
 
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