Interracial Marriage

[rbell]

So DVD players were considered unacceptable back then? Did we not have the technology for a mixed race couple to get together? Not quite the same thing there. :thumbs:

What's interesting though is this:

http://seniorjournal.com/NEWS/Features/6-03-20-SeniorCitizensLackTolerance.htm

Apparently even though the older folks are way behind in terms of tolerating mixed race marriages... half of them still say it's ok. Basically 2 out of 4 of them say it's ok, while 3 out of 4 of the rest of us say it's ok. I would think that this should mean that I should see more older mixed race couples than I do.

I guess my point is that this is a more common occurrence among the younger, more daring crowd. I assume that 20 years down the road when these same people are settled down and want different things out of life and have different goals, that these marriages start experiencing huge problems.

I would even bet that most of the same people who would enter into a mixed race relationship in their 20's and see nothing wrong with it, wouldn't do the same in their 40's, even if they continue to see nothing wrong with it.

I just think that alot of these relationships start because they are attracted to each other BECAUSE they are different races, instead of being attracted to each other as a person with no regards to race. Big difference, when you're talking about marriage.

I think you've too easily discounted the fact that it was taboo in many areas.

Secondly, I know of several interracial couples in this area that are older. One has been married 50 years this past month.

Thirdly, we keep dancing around the "interracial" issue...let's face it: most folks have no probem except with black/white. We could probably find many, many interracial" relationships, as long as we looked in other "combinations."

Finally...I think it's generally not a good idea to assign motives to folks. We can't pick out two people at random, and know why said people got married, and it's not our place to say, "Oh, you got married simply because you were of different races."

 

[Filmproducer]

I've got to ask, do these relationships last? I mean, I never see any older mixed couples. Ever. The ones I see are always 18-40 or so. I know of one couple that may be 45, absolutely no more than 50, but they are the oldest I have ever met, it's very rare. Most of the "serious" mixed relationships are concentrated in the late 20's or early 30's and that's about it.

Uhhhh....Maybe because they are not so taboo now? I would think that would be obvious.

Oh and my marriage has lasted 12 years and is still going strong. A marriage is a marriage regardless of the "race" of the parties involved.

 

[Filmproducer]

So DVD players were considered unacceptable back then? Did we not have the technology for a mixed race couple to get together? Not quite the same thing there. :thumbs:

What's interesting though is this:

http://seniorjournal.com/NEWS/Features/6-03-20-SeniorCitizensLackTolerance.htm

Apparently even though the older folks are way behind in terms of tolerating mixed race marriages... half of them still say it's ok. Basically 2 out of 4 of them say it's ok, while 3 out of 4 of the rest of us say it's ok. I would think that this should mean that I should see more older mixed race couples than I do.

I guess my point is that this is a more common occurrence among the younger, more daring crowd. I assume that 20 years down the road when these same people are settled down and want different things out of life and have different goals, that these marriages start experiencing huge problems.

I would even bet that most of the same people who would enter into a mixed race relationship in their 20's and see nothing wrong with it, wouldn't do the same in their 40's, even if they continue to see nothing wrong with it.

I just think that alot of these relationships start because they are attracted to each other BECAUSE they are different races, instead of being attracted to each other as a person with no regards to race. Big difference, when you're talking about marriage.

Oh puh-leeze! Are you serious? So all white couples, or all black couples, are attracted to each other without regard to race? Methinks you need a refresher course in the art of logical reasoning....

 

[corndogggy]

Thirdly, we keep dancing around the "interracial" issue...let's face it: most folks have no probem except with black/white. We could probably find many, many interracial" relationships, as long as we looked in other "combinations."

My sister in law was in a serious relationship with an illegal Mexican immigrant, and I had a huge problem with that. But, that was mainly due to the immigration thing, and not race. Besides, latin girls are the finest things on earth. :thumbs:

I could care less what "combinations" most people find themselves in, as long as it's for the right reasons, and marrying based on fundamental underlying principles, trust, and all that mushy stuff that makes a good marriage last. My sister in law's relationship with the Mexican wasn't exactly how I would define this, to say the least.

 

[Filmproducer]

I could care less what "combinations" most people find themselves in, as long as it's for the right reasons, and marrying based on fundamental underlying principles, trust, and all that mushy stuff that makes a good marriage last. My sister in law's relationship with the Mexican wasn't exactly how I would define this, to say the least.

I would bet that a healthy percentage of ALL marriages out there fall into this category. Why else would the divorce rate be so high?

 

[blackbird]

Some of the backwards parts of our country is just not true. It was unacceptable throughout the whole country period!!

If we are going to discuss this subject, lets keep it real at least and not lay it off on some backwoods people.


BBob,

I agree with Bro. Bob's statement here

Too many times we see black/white "racial" issues being blamed on "The South"---its what they do in Atlanta, Birmingham, Richmond, Baton Rouge, New Orleans, Little Rock and Memphis

When in fact its a national issue

I can probably take you to downtown Manhattan or Boston or Cleveland or Chicago and it wouldn't take me long to find the same racial problems

The issues are the same no matter where you live

 

[corndogggy]

So all white couples, or all black couples, are attracted to each other without regard to race?

I'm simply saying that I've seen several people, both male and female, and black and white, seek out people of the opposite sex for the sole reason of them being a different race, with most of them being younger, probably out of rebellion and/or lust. For example, I've seen several younger girls who only wanted to date black guys. I've seen several black guys who only wanted to date white girls.

I am only wondering if this changes over time or whatever... if two of those folks got together due to their preferences, is that something that they can expect to last? It just seems that if you start a relationship in this way, it is geared towards the physical attraction more than usual.

Since many of the younger mixed couples I have known were like this, with them obviously preferring their partners to be a different race since previous partners were also of a different race, I am simply wondering if a marriage that was entered during this time could be expected to last just as well as a same-race marriage when you're talking about 20 years from then. Just seems like alot of those relationships were started out of lust or rebellion and I wonder if they last. Since I have never hardly seen any of these couples outside of the 20-30 age group, I've got to make some assumptions and ask questions.

And, forget the whole black/white thing... we could be talking about a Korean and a Native American for all I care.

 

[corndogggy]

I would bet that a healthy percentage of ALL marriages out there fall into this category. Why else would the divorce rate be so high?

I dunno, I think I'll go ponder it over dinner... paid for by fees collected by my attorney wife from a divorce case. :thumbs:

 

[tinytim]

Some of the backwards parts of our country is just not true. It was unacceptable throughout the whole country period!! You young whippersnappers just don't know what you are talking about, when it comes to interracial marriage.

These "sinners" built one of the greatest nations on the face of this earth, with always remembering God in every document they ever wrote. Sure mistakes were made, but to call them sinners is going too far. To sin, you have to "know" what you are doing is wrong, if it is.

Historically, Black-White interracial marriage has been the most
controversial of all types of intermarriage in the United States
(Porterfield, 1982). A total of 16 states maintained laws against
interracial marriage until the Supreme Court ruled in 1967 that such
laws were unconstitutional because they violated the equal protection
clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.

Marriage between blacks and whites is a longstanding and deeply ingrained taboo in American culture. On the eve of World War II, mixed-race marriage was illegal in most states,

If we are going to discuss this subject, lets keep it real at least and not lay it off on some backwoods people.


BBob,

To place one race of people in a category as not worthy to marry another race is sin... it is the sin of pride.

And remember I grew up in WV... The real Backwoods!!!
Like I said before, I remember my family calling blacks "monkeys" and my grandmother thought they were just animals without souls...
Everyone of them were uneducated past the 9th grade...

And yes they were sinners... just like you and I.
their sin was the sin of prejudice and pride...

That generation was a great generation, but they were not perfect. History shows that...

 

[tinytim]

So DVD players were considered unacceptable back then? Did we not have the technology for a mixed race couple to get together? Not quite the same thing there. :thumbs:

What's interesting though is this:

http://seniorjournal.com/NEWS/Features/6-03-20-SeniorCitizensLackTolerance.htm

Apparently even though the older folks are way behind in terms of tolerating mixed race marriages... half of them still say it's ok. Basically 2 out of 4 of them say it's ok, while 3 out of 4 of the rest of us say it's ok. I would think that this should mean that I should see more older mixed race couples than I do.

I guess my point is that this is a more common occurrence among the younger, more daring crowd. I assume that 20 years down the road when these same people are settled down and want different things out of life and have different goals, that these marriages start experiencing huge problems.

I would even bet that most of the same people who would enter into a mixed race relationship in their 20's and see nothing wrong with it, wouldn't do the same in their 40's, even if they continue to see nothing wrong with it.

I just think that alot of these relationships start because they are attracted to each other BECAUSE they are different races, instead of being attracted to each other as a person with no regards to race. Big difference, when you're talking about marriage.

Yeah, that wasn't my best logical post was it!!!?
After I reread it, I thought, "how stupid"

 

[Filmproducer]

I'm simply saying that I've seen several people, both male and female, and black and white, seek out people of the opposite sex for the sole reason of them being a different race, with most of them being younger, probably out of rebellion and/or lust. For example, I've seen several younger girls who only wanted to date black guys. I've seen several black guys who only wanted to date white girls.

I am only wondering if this changes over time or whatever... if two of those folks got together due to their preferences, is that something that they can expect to last? It just seems that if you start a relationship in this way, it is geared towards the physical attraction more than usual.

Since many of the younger mixed couples I have known were like this, with them obviously preferring their partners to be a different race since previous partners were also of a different race, I am simply wondering if a marriage that was entered during this time could be expected to last just as well as a same-race marriage when you're talking about 20 years from then. Just seems like alot of those relationships were started out of lust or rebellion and I wonder if they last. Since I have never hardly seen any of these couples outside of the 20-30 age group, I've got to make some assumptions and ask questions.

And, forget the whole black/white thing... we could be talking about a Korean and a Native American for all I care.

In all honesty, just as rbell already noted, no one is qualified to make that determination, (they started their relationship strictly out of lust/rebellion). Did these couples actually say this to you, or are you assuming that is what it was? Besides, a fair number of all relationships are started out of lust and/or rebellion. It's a sin thing...

 

[Brother Bob]

To place one race of people in a category as not worthy to marry another race is sin... it is the sin of pride.

And remember I grew up in WV... The real Backwoods!!!
Like I said before, I remember my family calling blacks "monkeys" and my grandmother thought they were just animals without souls...
Everyone of them were uneducated past the 9th grade...

And yes they were sinners... just like you and I.
their sin was the sin of prejudice and pride...

That generation was a great generation, but they were not perfect. History shows that...

I will say again, that the Law is sin because it brings knowledge and if all of our ancestors did n't know it was wrong because the church taught that it was scripture to even have slaves, then I wonder if they are held accountable. If you read the history of the church, they even fought against civil rights using scripture. I find it insulting to say the south was where bias was when it still is just as common in the North as the South, if not more so. You ever live in the North Tim? I saw just as much if not more bias there as the south. You ever sing "amazing Grace", it was written by a slave trader who eventually accepted Christ but if I remember right continued to trade slaves for a while.
I tell you what Tim, go to Michigan and walk down 12 ave in Detroit at night and then tell me if whites are more bias than blacks, the only thing is, you would not be able to tell me. Go to New York and walk through Queens at night and report back on bias. Its a two way street in this thing of bias and not just our Grandmothers.
We were raised different than you and I was raised across the river from you in Kentucky. I never heard a biased word spoke in our home. There were no slaves, no interracial marriages, but there was no one calling blacks names either. So some of us in the South did not call blacks monkeys and N....., as a matter of fact, when I was a boy, we had black preachers in our churches and that is why I resent people laying all this slime on the southern backwoods people when that is what you are made up of. It is your heirtage, my friend.
Also, right there in WV, those who died in WWII per cap, had the most who gave their lives so you can call your ancestors all those names. I think you are way off base, my friend.

BBob,

 

[tinytim]

Bob, can you show me where I said it was just in the south?..
I used the word "backwoods" to indicate uneducated people...

I was in OH a few yrs ago, and racism is everywhere.. I agree it is just not in the south..
Backwoods people are everywhere also.. not just the south..
Ever been to ... nah.. better not...

Just because slave holders twisted the scriptures doesn't mean they were right...

Read Acts 10.. it is clear that there are no unclean races...
No race is lower than any other.. they are all equal.

And if they are equal, they cannot be unequally yoked..
Therefore when my ancestors used that argument, they were misinterpreting the Bible to fit their standards.. and that is always sin.

A person that looks down on someone just because of skin color is sinning.

 

[Brother Bob]

Bob, can you show me where I said it was just in the south?..
I used the word "backwoods" to indicate uneducated people...

I was in OH a few yrs ago, and racism is everywhere.. I agree it is just not in the south..
Backwoods people are everywhere also.. not just the south..
Ever been to ... nah.. better not...

Just because slave holders twisted the scriptures doesn't mean they were right...

Read Acts 10.. it is clear that there are no unclean races...
No race is lower than any other.. they are all equal.

And if they are equal, they cannot be unequally yoked..
Therefore when my ancestors used that argument, they were misinterpreting the Bible to fit their standards.. and that is always sin.

A person that looks down on someone just because of skin color is sinning.

Tim;
I have read some of the writings and circular letters of our ancestors and wondered, how did they ever become so knowledgeable. It is amazing the depth of the scripture that they could reach, but still it was taught that slavery was backed up by scripture. Even in the 60's they tried to use scripture to back up their beliefs.
I am very proud of my heritage for we still do not have the evil in these hills as bad as I have seen in the cities on a whole. It is coming for sure, but I have often preached that God has many people in these old mountains and all the old folks I knew, if they thought something was not accepted of God, they would not do it. Dad told me one time son, a man's word is his bond. I never forgot and if I tell someone something, I will do everything in my power to see that its done. All the old folks I knew, would sit down, whittle on a peice of wood and give out words of wisdom to little small boys, that stays with them the rest of their lives. That is how I was raised in these old mountains and when I die, please let me lay with my grandfathers, great, great etc. My dad died when I was 18 and in Germany, my grandmother and grandfathers soon after. I have ever hope of seeing them again and boy do we need more "good people" like that today. You could leave your children with them and never worry one minute of what they would be taught, or how they would be taken care of. Those days are slipping out of the grasp of our hands, and we can't stop it.
BBob,

 

[tinytim]

I am proud of my heritage too.. for all the same reasons you just gave...
But I also know that the people in my heritage were not perfect...
And they had problems with sin...
Everything from alcoholism, to gambling, to lying, stealing, etc...
And I had some, not all, ancestors that were out and out racists...

They really were. Not just prejudice, but racists... KKK style racists.

But they went to church every Sunday.

That is where I am coming from.
I thank God, I read Acts 10 early in my life, and compared it to what I was hearing at family reunions, and realized I didn't want to be like them, but like Peter.

 

[Brother Bob]

I am proud of my heritage too.. for all the same reasons you just gave...
But I also know that the people in my heritage were not perfect...
And they had problems with sin...
Everything from alcoholism, to gambling, to lying, stealing, etc...
And I had some, not all, ancestors that were out and out racists...

They really were. Not just prejudice, but racists... KKK style racists.

But they went to church every Sunday.

That is where I am coming from.
I thank God, I read Acts 10 early in my life, and compared it to what I was hearing at family reunions, and realized I didn't want to be like them, but like Peter.

Ok Tim;
Of course I had ancestors who lied, alcohol etc, and there probably some that were racist. I couldn't name who right now though, for I can't ever remember the word N.... mentioned in our home. I suspect if I had said the word my mother would of taught me a lesson real fast. That is not to say that the blacks didn't live where they did and we lived where we did. I heard someone on here say once that they seem to just flock together and that is true of all of us. As far as the KKK, I have pictures where the Primitives were preaching a funeral with the KKK outside in full dress. I wonder what we are doing today, that we see no wrong but fifty years down the road, we might look back and say "why did we do that". There is the thing of women wearing slacks. In my youth, there was no such thing and for a young girl to come to school in pants was a no no, not to mention shorts that they wear today.
We should look at the good side of how far we have come on some things and sadly how far we have slid back on others such as showing nakeness, which is probably a sin don't you think, but how many churches allow it.

One day it will be alright Tim;

BBob,

 

[blackbird]

Ok Tim;
As far as the KKK, I have pictures where the Primitives were preaching a funeral with the KKK outside in full dress.

BBob,

I'm just hopeing the primitive preacher had the backbone to run them all off of church property!!!!!

White sheets and hoods can't hide a man from the Lord Jesus Christ!!!!!

And I'm saying that from the Heart of Dixie!!

 

[Brother Bob]

..........

The funeral was in a home and the KKK were all gathered in the yard. I think the person dead was one of theirs, but not sure. There were old A model fords parked by the road and maybe some T model's, not sure.

A preacher in those days had a lot of clout. I would think if he told them to move away, they would. It just seemed strange to see that picture. I think I will try and get a copy and keep here at the house, as a reminder of how times have changed.

BBob,

 

[convicted1]

I have no problem with interracial marriage. BUT, I live in WESTERN-WVA, and in this area, it wouldn't be as accepted as it would in other parts of the USA. It's a shame, too. I love my wife, and if she was white, black, purple as Barney, polka dot, etc, I would have married her just as fast. Color was never an issue with me. In the dark, we are all the same color.

 

[Gold Dragon]

I guess my point is that this is a more common occurrence among the younger, more daring crowd. I assume that 20 years down the road when these same people are settled down and want different things out of life and have different goals, that these marriages start experiencing huge problems.

I would even bet that most of the same people who would enter into a mixed race relationship in their 20's and see nothing wrong with it, wouldn't do the same in their 40's, even if they continue to see nothing wrong with it.

I just think that alot of these relationships start because they are attracted to each other BECAUSE they are different races, instead of being attracted to each other as a person with no regards to race. Big difference, when you're talking about marriage.

This is some pretty ignorant stuff here.

In Toronto where we got over our prejudices earlier and mixed marriages were accepted a lot earlier than many parts of the United States, I've seen many happily married mixed couples that are now seniors. A pastor in my in-laws' Chinese church is an 80+ year old black gentleman married to a white woman also in her 80s.