Brother Bob said:
The very fact that you felt it necessary to tell your spouse that they would be welcome in your home, tells me that others around you would not welcome them.
I want you to know that I know you were referring to me and you are wrong and always seem to think the worst about someone. Blacks have stayed in my home and were welcome. My daughter was a basketball player and some of the players were black. The entire team stayed at my home several times. Now years have passed but they still come here to visit and are welcome. You have one of the worst attitudes of saying the worst, instead of thinking you did not understand the statement. Again, to not want my daughter to marry a black, still stands because of the life they would have to endure. Also, the family would have to endure also. You are so superior to everyone else that sometimes makes me ill. If anyone on here says because I feel as I do, that is hatred, then you are flat out wrong also.
BBob,
Actually, not at all. It actually had to do with her family, after she made the comment to me. It would not have bothered either my late mother, my late brother, or my close first cousin, and they were the only close kin that I had living, aside from my brother's six kids. I will not speculate as to extended family, even my own, for I have never conversed with any of them about such.
I did not know this
per se, at the time, about some of her family, as neither she nor I live or even lived very close to her family, except for one uncle in Lexington, of whom the closest of any of the rest are over three hours away, and I had met any of, only one time, in person.
And I made no statement about hatred, or anyone hating another, at all, nor have I accused anyone of that. Inconsistency, definitely. The statement that you, in fact, did make was this.
If a bi-racial couple came to my church and offered themselves, I would take them in a minute. I am speaking of just in my home, not others about how I would feel.
This certainly implies you "feel" something, although you do not specify, here. I have no objection to anyone's preference, at all, as to whom they associate with, marry, work with, or what have you, as long as such is not contradicting Scripture. Is that a fair position? If it is contradicting Scripture, as I understand it, I do have an objection. I did read your posts, and in my mind, I pick up on what are, IMO, some 'latent racist attitudes' that seem to have been learned, even though some (not all) of them seem to bother you. (FTR, I seldom comment in any thread without reading all of it, first.) You mentioned something that happened among your own family that, and again I quote what you wrote:
I will step up to the plate and say that I would have a rough time dealing with it. If we are going to be honest then we must say what our real feelings are. We had a case in my close family, which caused a lot of hurt feeling all the way around. The child of this couple suffered the most, after a few years the family accepted it and show true love to the child, the parents divorced after a couple of years, but the damage to that child had already been done. People say they are not racist, but I really wonder, if it come home to them, whether you are black or white.
Some people speak of the South being racists, but the North is no different than the South. IMO
I wonder if it is sinful to bring a child into the world, knowing the kind of life it will have to live because of a mixe (sic) marriage. You certainly will cause that child to suffer more that we will ever know. I know of one child, who said "I wish I was white". He said this while he was still very young and when I heard of it, I knew that child was paying for the deeds of his parents and those of us who was around him.
Sure it is inconsistent, but we are what we are. We are a product of how we were raised. I remember when I traveled as a soldier on trains and stations seeing different places for whites and blacks. I on purpose sit where the blacks were, but did that change anything. No, it did not and I am glad those times are gone, but am I a rascist? If it means I have to accept inter-racial, then it becomes hard for me. Sorry if I offend anyone, I don't mean to. I am just giving a truthful answer.
I have never thought you were anything less than truthful, in the least. But how have I misread anything, here? I did not say it, you did. I do disagree with and/or question a few things here, though. I fully agree with rbell, that our background of how we were reared too often does become a cop-out. If one were to come from a background of alcoholism, for example, is it OK to dismiss the drinking from them, but not, say, from me, who had no such background, were I to be a member of a church you were associated with? I hope the standard would rightly be the same for both, especially if one were to be involved in some leadership position.
How about your own particular "hot button" issue of which you seem to mention more than any other poster of sexual immorality? Does someone get a 'free pass' from you because of a background that included this? I think not, and again, rightly so.
The OP of the thread mentioned that someone compared sodomy and interracial marraige. Fortunately, that was not you, but frankly, that is about as evil a statement as I have ever read on the BB. One does not read a much 'sicker' statement than that on the BB, or at least I have not in two years. Another poster made a flat statement that "Interracial marriages are not of God."
Another call that is extremely judgmental, to say the least. And I will not give either of those any 'pass' on such bigoted and dumb statements.
But I do not want to misunderstand you, or any other, Brother Bob. So how about explaining exactly what you mean by the parts I have copied, which were and are your own words? Fair request??
FTR, my bride's family came from Eastern Kentucky, which I also found out some years later (I just assumed they were from Ohio, where she grew up), and actually not too far from your neck of the woods, and were associated with the same group of Baptists you are affiliated with, namely, The Old Regular Baptists. I was and still am a 'flat-lander', myself.
Ed
raying: , do just what they want to do regardless of the Word of God. In fact, these folks:1_grouphug: will go out and find a church and a teacher/preacher who will "tickle their ears" and give them that love pat on their backside, than send them along their way as they drive madly down the multi-lane freeway to hell.
