Interracial Marriage

[Brother Bob]

Hate has always been sinful...
It was sinful back in the good ole days.. but so many did it, that even Christians beleived it wasn't a sin...

That's why my generation laughs at the previous generation when they tell us how sinful we are.. and then say they weren't as bad as we are today...

lynching, hatred, treating people different because of skin color...
all were sins.. but some of your generation saw nothing wrong with it...

Thank God there were a few that stood for morality, and a change has, and is coming in the way we treat each other.

To read "hate" into what I have posted is way off base. I never even come close to saying that.

BBob,

 

[Brother Bob]

But isn't prejudice a sin...

"Judge not according to appearance, but judge righteously" (tiny's paraphrase of a verse somewhere in John)

Do you think all of our ancestors went to hell???

 

[tinytim]

No, thank God, that Jesus paid for our sins.. even the ones we are currently unaware of....

 

[tinytim]

To read "hate" into what I have posted is way off base. I never even come close to saying that.

BBob,

sorryraying:

 

[rbell]

I think you misread him...
I think he asked why the attitude that interracial marriages is just NOW a sin.. why wasn't it a sin before...

OK, if I misunderstood Bob, then I apologize.

Interracial relationships in and of themselves have never been a sin. The Biblical issue was always a spiritual one...Israelites were to not marry peoples that did not know God.

That is still our parameter (and, of course, to conduct ourselves within the relationship in a Christlike way...with regard to love, the physical stuff, fathfulness, keeping our vows if married, love, etc.).

 

[rbell]

To read "hate" into what I have posted is way off base. I never even come close to saying that.

BBob,

Which brings me (sorry, broken record) to why I made the post drawing a distinction between racism (hate) and prejudice (separatism).

 

[donnA]

as far as humans go, theres only one race, the human race.

 

[Filmproducer]

If a bi-racial couple came to my church and offered themselves, I would take them in a minute. I am speaking of just in my home, not others about how I would feel.
I am glad you children never have to suffer the rascist slurs that most bi-racial children do suffer, IMO.

I don't mind you being totally honest with me, but I do know the heart ache it causes when one is black and the other one white. I did not make it that way, it was already here when I came along.

We have blacks in our church and they are my brothers and sisters. I also know of many blacks who do not want their children marrying whites, are they rascist?

I should of stayed out of this conversation because I knew I was not going to say the political correct things.

BTW, I did not say it was sinful to bring children into a situation like that, just that I wondered, know what they would have to face.


BBob,

Thank you for your honesty, and I don't think you are racist, nor are those in your church that you mentioned. I think a lot of disagreement comes from our ages. Frankly, these things that you claim that most bi-racial children face are not the norm anymore in the greater majority of the country. As for the struggles bi-racial couples face, they are pretty much the same any marriage face. I cannot believe that my marriage is so far from the norm, considering the number of bi-racial couples I know and see. I'm glad to hear you would accept a bi-racial couple in church. Hopefully one will come your way so that you see we are no different from other couples. Again I do not think you are racist, nor do I feel that you have to be PC. I think in these situations brutal honesty is the best course of action. It is the only way we learn from each other and grow. My sincere hope is that in the future when you think of interracial couple you will see something like my husband or I, or any other healthy relationship, and not the sad situation that befell your own family. God bless always....:wavey:

 

[Brother Bob]

My apologies to everyone on this thread. I should of kept my mouth shut and not entered into this discussion. Again, I am sorry.

BBob,

 

[Filmproducer]

My apologies to everyone on this thread. I should of kept my mouth shut and not entered into this discussion. Again, I am sorry.

BBob,

No need to apologize. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions, and that does not make you a racist, just human. Like I said before I hope that one day you can see interracial couples the same as any other. This topic hits close to home for me obviously, but I'm starting to learn to just let go and let God. I know that God does not frown upon me, or my marriage, or my children so I'm not gonna care if someone on the BB does. I figure I'm not gonna change someone's mind by arguing with them.

 

[Rubato 1]

Hate has always been sinful...
It was sinful back in the good ole days.. but so many did it, that even Christians beleived it wasn't a sin...

I didn't mean to come back to this thread, but..anyway.

Hate is not a sin. It is what we hate that can be sinful.

We will give an account for every word we use; therefore, we must be careful not to repeat statements like this one. God hates some people--specifically, those that hate him. God hated Esau. David hated some people with "a perfect hatred." There are many sins which we should not only dislike, avoid, and shun, but we should also hate. Like Proverbs 6:16.

I think it dangerous also to equate racism with hatred. Racism simply means that someone believes (as evolutionists do) that one race is better than another. Just because I think Fords are better than Chevys doesn't mean I hate Chevys (I do hate Dodges).

I think this shows how we are so subtily influenced by the PC society in which we are forced to participate. We must be careful to search for biblical definitions and principles in the face of what we hear day in and day out. "Hate" speech will be the arbitrary yet effective tool next used to try to shut up preachers of Righteousness.:thumbs:

 

[abcgrad94]

Yes, hatred for other people IS a sin. The Bible says if we hate our brother it's the same as murder.

 

[tinytim]

I didn't mean to come back to this thread, but..anyway.

Hate is not a sin. It is what we hate that can be sinful.

We will give an account for every word we use; therefore, we must be careful not to repeat statements like this one. God hates some people--specifically, those that hate him. God hated Esau. David hated some people with "a perfect hatred." There are many sins which we should not only dislike, avoid, and shun, but we should also hate. Like Proverbs 6:16.

I think it dangerous also to equate racism with hatred. Racism simply means that someone believes (as evolutionists do) that one race is better than another. Just because I think Fords are better than Chevys doesn't mean I hate Chevys (I do hate Dodges).

I think this shows how we are so subtily influenced by the PC society in which we are forced to participate. We must be careful to search for biblical definitions and principles in the face of what we hear day in and day out. "Hate" speech will be the arbitrary yet effective tool next used to try to shut up preachers of Righteousness.:thumbs:

You are right...about "hate"
For example I hate racism..

But even if racism isn't driven by hate for fellow man, it is driven by self righteous pride..

 

[EdSutton]

You are right...about "hate"
For example I hate racism..

But even if racism isn't driven by hate for fellow man, it is driven by self righteous pride..

I'm pretty sure the LORD hates pride, and we are supposed to do the same. (Prov. 6:16-19; 8:24)

Ed

 

[EdSutton]

One statement that one poster made on this board that really bothers me, touched on the idea that someone could be welcomed in one's church but not in one's home. That just doesn't sit well with me, for some reason, and seems to reek of hypocrisy, IMO.

When my wife and I were about to be married, I knew that one of her first cousins was married obviously 'inter-racially'. Some of the cousin's family, including the mother, was not particularly pleased with this, to the point of not even wanting the spouse to be seen in their home. Sight unseen, and not even knowing the individuals involved, I pronounced to my wife-to-be that tehy would be welcome by me, in my home, anytime. She agreed, FTR, and seemed to be somewhat eased when I said this, I guess having seen a bit of the 'racism', involved, with some of her family.

I had the privilege of meeting both the cousin and the spouse, a couple of months ago (at the aunt's 90th birthday, who is now ill, but thankfully, has 'softened' a bit over this, over the years) and told them both separately and together what I had said to Peggy almost nine years ago.

I meant it then; I mean it now. I seriously doubt that it will likely happen, because of the geographical distance between our two families, but the offer is open (and returned by them), and I said and hoped that someday, we could get together in one or the other's home.

My questions asked near the opening of the thread still are unanswered. What did Jesus, Paul, Noah, Moses, et al. actually "look like"?

Ed

 

[Aaron]

Why do you think God told the Jews not to marry outside of their nation? He did not command it just for people to shrug off like He did not mean it.

Joshua 23:12-13 Else if ye do in any wise go back, and cleave unto the remnant of these nations, even these that remain among you, and shall make marriages with them, and go in unto them, and they to you: Know for a certainty that the LORD your God will no more drive out any of these nations from before you; but they shall be snares and traps unto you, and scourges in your sides, and thorns in your eyes, until ye perish from off this good land which the LORD your God hath given you.

A clear command not to marry outside the race. For when one does, the Word declares they will be a snare and trap to you and scourges in your sides.

Haven't read the whole thread and don't intend to.

SFIC, I think this a prohibition against international marriage, not interracial. This prohibition is repeated in the NT by Paul, who states that we should not be unequally yoked with unbelievers (Christians are an holy nation).

I think this principal could be justly applied in civil matters as well. I think there should be a prohibition against marrying non-citizens for the very reasons Joshua stated.

 

[tinytim]

Haven't read the whole thread and don't intend to.

SFIC, I think this a prohibition against international marriage, not interracial. This prohibition is repeated in the NT by Paul, who states that we should not be unequally yoked with unbelievers (Christians are an holy nation).

I think this principal could be justly applied in civil matters as well. I think there should be a prohibition against marrying non-citizens for the very reasons Joshua stated.

Wow, what a way to spin the issue to bring it into 2007...

If we take this literally, it would give us the right to be prejudiced against non-citizens... say, I don't know... the hispanics that are coming into the US...

Around here the hatred for hispanics (legal and illegal) is staggering even in churches...

The new racism is hispanic hatred, fueled by debates about illegal immigration...

The problem isn't the debates... it is ignorant people that fail to identify the word "illegal"... around here, any hispanic is automatically labelled "illegal" by ignorant folk...

The problem God had with other nations, was not the people, but the different religions that would be brought into the nation of Israel.

This is the same reason I am against a Christian marrying a Non-Christian.
Religious purposes...

And since America is not a theocracy, the rules for not marrying non-citizens do not apply in this case...

We as Christians are a holy nation... so I agree with Aaron that non-citizens (the lost) of the holy nation should not marry citizens of the holy nation.(the saved).

But to make it a case that applies to earthly citizenship, is null and void, since we no longer have a earthly nation that is a theocracy...

One day we will when Christ sets up his earthly kingdom... (Of course I am post-mill) at that point I will agree with Aaron in the civil points...

 

[Jkdbuck76]

And yet, there is no lifting of the command to marry within race. only assumptions that God will not punish.

Who was that command given to? "Thou shalt not marry outside thy race"?

To the Nation Israel.


The Church is not Israel. The Church is not a nation.
Back in that day, Israel was commanded not to have anything to do with the neighboring countries, much less intermarry. Why? Because they were heathens.

I'm white. Caucasian. Krackersaurus Rex, if you will. I'd rather marry outside my race if she's saved rather than an unsaved white woman. We are not to be yoked with non-believers. Back in OT times, "non-Jewish = non-believers".

 

[Jkdbuck76]

Why do you think God told the Jews not to marry outside of their nation? He did not command it just for people to shrug off like He did not mean it.

Joshua 23:12-13 Else if ye do in any wise go back, and cleave unto the remnant of these nations, even these that remain among you, and shall make marriages with them, and go in unto them, and they to you: Know for a certainty that the LORD your God will no more drive out any of these nations from before you; but they shall be snares and traps unto you, and scourges in your sides, and thorns in your eyes, until ye perish from off this good land which the LORD your God hath given you.

A clear command not to marry outside the race. For when one does, the Word declares they will be a snare and trap to you and scourges in your sides.

Because back then, to marry outside the race = to marry a non-believer.

 

[Brother Bob]

One statement that one poster made on this board that really bothers me, touched on the idea that someone could be welcomed in one's church but not in one's home. That just doesn't sit well with me, for some reason, and seems to reek of hypocrisy, IMO.

When my wife and I were about to be married, I knew that one of her first cousins was married obviously 'inter-racially'. Some of the cousin's family, including the mother, was not particularly pleased with this, to the point of not even wanting the spouse to be seen in their home. Sight unseen, and not even knowing the individuals involved, I pronounced to my wife-to-be that tehy would be welcome by me, in my home, anytime. She agreed, FTR, and seemed to be somewhat eased when I said this, I guess having seen a bit of the 'racism', involved, with some of her family.

I had the privilege of meeting both the cousin and the spouse, a couple of months ago (at the aunt's 90th birthday, who is now ill, but thankfully, has 'softened' a bit over this, over the years) and told them both separately and together what I had said to Peggy almost nine years ago.

I meant it then; I mean it now. I seriously doubt that it will likely happen, because of the geographical distance between our two families, but the offer is open (and returned by them), and I said and hoped that someday, we could get together in one or the other's home.

My questions asked near the opening of the thread still are unanswered. What did Jesus, Paul, Noah, Moses, et al. actually "look like"?

Ed

The very fact that you felt it necessary to tell your spouse that they would be welcome in your home, tells me that others around you would not welcome them.

I want you to know that I know you were referring to me and you are wrong and always seem to think the worst about someone. Blacks have stayed in my home and were welcome. My daughter was a basketball player and some of the players were black. The entire team stayed at my home several times. Now years have passed but they still come here to visit and are welcome. You have one of the worst attitudes of saying the worst, instead of thinking you did not understand the statement. Again, to not want my daughter to marry a black, still stands because of the life they would have to endure. Also, the family would have to endure also. You are so superior to everyone else that sometimes makes me ill. If anyone on here says because I feel as I do, that is hatred, then you are flat out wrong also.


BBob,