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Is all sin the same
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Yes, everyone placed into Christ and therefore made alive together with Christ, are the "out from called!" They are the ones "washing of regeneration" by the "blood of the Lamb."
Some are going to say when?... Well its only logical to us, to claim when I accepted Christ!... The problem is man robs God of his glory, in that he performed the work... You are going to have an impossible time convincing me of that when the righteous, couldn't even understand why they were there... The Lord claims they are righteous, not because they did for Christ but what they did for others... Doing for others shows they have the love of God abiding in them?... The others could not because they did not have the abiding love of God in them... Instead of me telling you read it... Brother Glen
Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
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This is just another false claim by Calvinism with no support from reason or scripture.
What verse says names were written "before" the foundation of the world? None.
What verses say names were written since the foundation of the world? Revelations 13:8 and 17:8
Who has eternal life? Only those God places into Christ, thus made "alive" together with Christ.
No salvation is based on the person saved, it is by God's grace alone through (or by reason of) faith alone. Salvation does not depend on the person that wills to be saved. Romans 9:16
Calvinism simply rewrites Romans 4 to turn our faith as credited by God into works. It is a vicious falsehood.
Here is a thought: What if two people both steal a candy bar. Would the wrath stored up for each necessarily be the same?
1689Dave
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You say Christ's blood did not pay for any sin. (Pelagianism). For if it did. all would be saved. And we know this is not the case. What the Synod of Dordt says based on scripture, is that his blood paid for the sins of the elect only, and God considers them atoned for and saved. You preach self-salvation by works (Pelagianism). Scripture teaches salvation by the blood of Christ in Grace.
You post non-stop falsehoods.
One of the never-ending falsehoods pushed by Calvinism is our faith results in a salvation of works. This rewrites Romans 4.
Note not one verse is referenced, thus a Calvinist citing Calvinists.
This Calvinist rewrites Revelation 13:8 to say names were written before the foundation of the world. Hogwash.
Contrary to this disinformation poster, here is what I said, "everyone placed into Christ and therefore made alive together with Christ, are the "out from called!" They are the ones having undergone the "washing of regeneration" by the "blood of the Lamb."
Read again the opening line of this Calvinists post, a complete and utter falsehood.
Read the words of scripture (NASB95)
1 Peter 1:17-19
If you address as Father the One who impartially judges according to each one’s work, conduct yourselves in fear during the time of your stay on earth; knowing that you were not redeemed with perishable things like silver or gold from your futile way of life inherited from your forefathers, but with precious blood, as of a lamb unblemished and spotless, the blood of Christ.
1689Dave
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Here's some proof of your error you possibly overlooked.
“And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth, Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children’s children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.” Exodus 34:6–7 (KJV 1900)
Catharsis for universal atonement
Everyone knows Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all, not some.
There is no support anywhere in scripture for your false doctrine.
1689Dave
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His blood did not save anyone if he paid for the sins of all people. You need to adjust your interpretation to account for all of the damned. The people in the flood, the Canaanites, those who never had a chance to "say uncle" to a god you depict as a bully. If Christ paid for the sins of all, they would be saved and they are not. Most perish. You turn the gospel into a law that cannot save. And grace into works that cannot save. Jesus said;
“I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.” John 17:9 (KJV 1900)
Yet another false claim. On and on the Calvinist makes one false claim after another.
I referenced an actual verse in scripture. But you did not.
The biblical view accounts for the whole world. 1 John 2:2.
Again I ask you to provide a verse that says Jesus "paid" for the sins of the elect on the cross. You will not because no such verse exists. Your are a false teacher.
Again I state everyone redeemed was redeemed with the blood of the Lamb. Shall I quote the verse again?
1689Dave
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Salvation is only for the Jews. “Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.” John 4:22 (KJV 1900)
but the promise to Abraham was for gentiles to when the times of the Gentiles began. The "world" has a broad area of meaning. It means universe (New Heavens and earth), Gentiles, but never each individual. Most Jews were in fact lost. So you need to balance the "world" with all of its uses. Why would Jesus not pray for the world if he paid for their sins? Is he not honest too?
One change the subject post after another, one falsehood posted after another.
The world in 1 John 2:2 refers to all humankind, and not only to Gentiles. Calvinism must rewrite verse after verse to defend its false doctrines.
Again I ask you to provide a verse that says Jesus "paid" for the sins of the elect on the cross. You will not because no such verse exists.
1689Dave
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“Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.” Acts 20:28 (KJV 1900)
“Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.” 1 Peter 1:2 (KJV 1900)
If Calvin was right about sin and grace, you must hate God passionately.
Alan Gross
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See what you think of the Bible references in this excert from:
His By Grace--"John Gill: A Body of Doctrinal & Practical Divinity"-Doctrinal Book 7, Chapter 10
the degrees of this punishment;
for it seems such there will be since wicked men will be judged, and so punished, according to their evil works, whether more or fewer, greater or lesser.
But then these cannot be understood of the punishment of loss;
one cannot lose more nor less than another;
all are equally excluded from the presence and communion of God and of Christ, and of the Spirit;
and from the company of angels and saints, and from the kingdom of heaven and the glories of it: but can only be said of the punishment of sense;
some are lesser sinners and others greater;
some are only guilty of original sin, and not of actual transgressions, at least of very few, and so are deserving of a milder punishment only, as before observed;
and of actual transgressions, some are guilty of more, and of more heinous ones;
see #Joh 19:11 and their guilt and punishment are in proportion to them; some are attended with greater aggravations, and so are deserving of a greater punishment;
The Soldiers Mock Jesus
…10 So Pilate said to Him, “Do You refuse to speak to me? Do You not know that I have authority to release You and authority to crucify You?”
11 Jesus answered, “You would have no authority over Me if it were not given to you from above. Therefore the one who handed Me over to you is guilty of greater sin.”
12 From then on, Pilate tried to release Him, but the Jews kept shouting, “If you release this man, you are no friend of Caesar. Anyone who declares himself a king is defying Caesar.”…
some are done in ignorance, and others against light and knowledge; one knows his master's will and does it not, and so deserves to be beaten with many stripes;
and another knows it not, and yet does things worthy of stripes, and therefore to be beaten with few stripes, #Lu 12:47.
Be Ready for Service
…46 The master of that servant will come on a day he does not expect and at an hour he does not anticipate. Then he will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the unbelievers.
47 That servant who knows his master’s will but does not get ready or follow his instructions will be beaten with many blows.
48 But the one who unknowingly does things worthy of punishment will be beaten with few blows. From everyone who has been given much, much will be required; and from him who has been entrusted with much, even more will be demanded.…
Some have had the advantage of a written law, the law of Moses, as the Jews had, and this explained with the sanctions of it;
when others, as the Gentiles, had only the light of nature and the law of it to guide them;
and as both will be judged according to their different laws, so will they be punished in a different manner, #Ro 2:12.
God's Righteous Judgment
…11 For God does not show favoritism.
12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.
13 For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but it is the doers of the law who will be declared righteous.…
Some have had the advantage of a preached gospel, and have despised it, and have been disobedient to it, which is an aggravation of their condemnation; so that it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon, for Sodom and Gomorrah, than for them, #Mt 11:20,21.
Woe to the Unrepentant
19 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Look at this glutton and drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ But wisdom is vindicated by her actions.”
20 Then Jesus began to denounce the cities in which most of His miracles had been performed, because they did not repent.
21 “Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles that were performed in you had been performed in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes.…
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Alan Gross
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The scribes and Pharisees who, against the clearest evidence, and the conviction of their own consciences, denied that Jesus was the Messiah, and blasphemed his miracles, which were proofs of it;
and under a pretense of religion devoured widows' houses, justly receive the greater damnation, #Mt 12:25-32 23:14 and those who have treated contumeliously the great doctrines of the gospel, respecting the person and blood of Christ, and the grace of the Spirit of Christ;
A House Divided
…24 But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “Only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, does this man drive out demons.”
25 Knowing their thoughts, Jesus said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be laid waste, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand.
26 If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand?…
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27 And if I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your sons drive them out? So then, they will be your judges.
28 But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
29 Or again, how can anyone enter a strong man’s house and steal his possessions, unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can plunder his house.
30 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters.Mark 3:28–30)
31 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
32 Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the one to come.
and under a pretense of religion devoured widows' houses, justly receive the greater damnation, #Mt 12:25-32 23:14 and those who have treated contumeliously the great doctrines of the gospel, respecting the person and blood of Christ, and the grace of the Spirit of Christ;
A House Divided
…24 But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “Only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, does this man drive out demons.”
25 Knowing their thoughts, Jesus said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself will be laid waste, and every city or household divided against itself will not stand.
26 If Satan drives out Satan, he is divided against himself. How then can his kingdom stand?…
Berean Study Bible · Download
27 And if I drive out demons by Beelzebul, by whom do your sons drive them out? So then, they will be your judges.
28 But if I drive out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
29 Or again, how can anyone enter a strong man’s house and steal his possessions, unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can plunder his house.
30 He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters.Mark 3:28–30)
31 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven.
32 Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the one to come.