Is all sin the same

[Alan Gross]

MATTHEW 13 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men’s faces. You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let in those who wish to enter.c

15 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You traverse land and sea to win a single convert, and when he becomes one, you make him twice as much a son of hell as you are.


of how much sorer punishment shall they be thought worthy, than those who have only broken the law of Moses?

#Heb 10:28,29

28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.

29 How much more severely do you think one deserves to be punished who has trampled on the Son of God, profaned the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and insulted the Spirit of grace?


2Th 1:9

Christ's Coming
…8 in blazing fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.

9 They will suffer the penalty of eternal destruction, separated from the presence of the Lord and the glory of His might,

10 on the day He comes to be glorified in His saints and regarded with wonder by all who have believed, including you who have believed our testimony.…


1Pe 4:17.

Suffering as Christians
…16 But if you suffer as a Christian, do not be ashamed, but glorify God that you bear that name.

17 For it is time for judgment to begin with the family of God; and if it begins with us, what will the outcome be for those who disobey the gospel of God?

18 And, “If it is hard for the righteous to be saved, what will become of the ungodly and the sinner?”…

Some have been favored with greater mercies in providence than others, and have abused them, and despised the goodness of God extended to them, and so have treasured up more wrath against the day of wrath;

and having their good things here, will have their evil ones hereafter, with a redoubled vengeance,

#Ro 2:4,5

God's Righteous Judgment
…3 So when you, O man, pass judgment on others, yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment?

4 Or do you disregard the riches of His kindness, tolerance, and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness leads you to repentance?

5 But because of your hard and unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of wrath, when God’s righteous judgment will be revealed.…

Lu 16:25.

The Rich Man and Lazarus
…24 So he cried out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue. For I am in agony in this fire.’

25 But Abraham answered, ‘Child, remember that during your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things. But now he is comforted here, while you are in agony.

26 And besides all this, a great chasm has been fixed between us and you, so that even those who wish cannot cross from here to you, nor can anyone cross from there to us.’…

 

[Van]

No scripture to support your hatred of Calvinistic sin and grace.

Yet another false claim, made up to disparage others. This is all they have folks, change the subject and attack the messengers of truth.

 

[Van]

“Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.” Acts 20:28 (KJV 1900)

“Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.” 1 Peter 1:2 (KJV 1900)

If Calvin was right about sin and grace, you must hate God passionately.

1) Does Acts 20:28 say Christ did not lay down His life as a ransom for all (1 Timothy 2:6)? Nope
Therefore the verse does not support the false Calvinistic claim that Christ's death paid "only" for the elect. Of course dying for all humankind includes dying for the subset of humankind that are saved.

2) 1 Peter 1:2 says those saved become "elect" through or by means of sanctification by the Spirit and the washing of regeneration by the blood of Christ. Calvinist false doctrine puts the cart before the horse.

3) Calvinism is wrong about the TULI of the Tulip, therefore you must be a profound dupe.

 

[1689Dave]

1) Does Acts 20:28 say Christ did not lay down His life as a ransom for all (1 Timothy 2:6)? Nope
Therefore the verse does not support the false Calvinistic claim that Christ's death paid "only" for the elect. Of course dying for all humankind includes dying for the subset of humankind that are saved.

2) 1 Peter 1:2 says those saved become "elect" through or by means of sanctification by the Spirit and the washing of regeneration by the blood of Christ. Calvinist false doctrine puts the cart before the horse.

3) Calvinism is wrong about the TULI of the Tulip, therefore you must be a profound dupe.

If Christ paid for the sins of "all", why are all but believers lost? Answer; He paid only for the sins of believers. Question: Is Jesus the author and finisher of their faith? Or are they?

 

[1689Dave]

Yet another false claim, made up to disparage others. This is all they have folks, change the subject and attack the messengers of truth.

I cannot imagine how much hatred you have stored up for God if Calvin was right about sin and grace.

 

[Hannahande]

In layman's term, there are two kinds of sin. One is the actual sin which is defined as consist of evil acts. On the other hand, the other sin is referred as original sin, which is acquired at birth as member of a sinful race.

 

[1689Dave]

In layman's term, there are two kinds of sin. One is the actual sin which is defined as consist of evil acts. On the other hand, the other sin is referred as original sin, which is acquired at birth as member of a sinful race.

something to consider is the parallel Paul gives between Christ and Adam. It is Christ's imputed righteousness that saves us. Just as it was Adam's imputed sin that damns us. It is our personal righteousness that adds to our salvation in heavenly rewards. Just as it is our personal sinfulness that adds to our suffering in hell, unless saved by Christ.

 

[Van]

If Christ paid for the sins of "all", why are all but believers lost? Answer; He paid only for the sins of believers. Question: Is Jesus the author and finisher of their faith? Or are they?

Asked and answered dozens of times. All Calvinists do repeat off the shelf questions rather than respond to the answers.

1) Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all, 1 Timothy 2:6. Thus the first question denies God's word. No response will be forthcoming.

2) Providing the means of salvation for all does not mean all will be saved. Only a Calvinist would claim such an obvious absurdity.

3) Note the Calvinist says Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith, but does not say what that means. It means Christ's birth, life, death and resurrection are what we put our faith in. Nothing more, and nothing less.

 

[Van]

I cannot imagine how much hatred you have stored up for God if Calvin was right about sin and grace.

Anyone who questions my salvation should be given an infraction for flagrant rules violation, even if they were willing dupes.

 

[1689Dave]

Asked and answered dozens of times. All Calvinists do repeat off the shelf questions rather than respond to the answers.

1) Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all, 1 Timothy 2:6. Thus the first question denies God's word. No response will be forthcoming.

2) Providing the means of salvation for all does not mean all will be saved. Only a Calvinist would claim such an obvious absurdity.

3) Note the Calvinist says Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith, but does not say what that means. It means Christ's birth, life, death and resurrection are what we put our faith in. Nothing more, and nothing less.

Why did Jesus tell the Pharisees in John 10 he did not die for them if he did, as you claim? He said they could not believe because he did not die for them.

 

[1689Dave]

Anyone who questions my salvation should be given an infraction for flagrant rules violation, even if they were willing dupes.

How do you not hate God if Calvin was right about sin and grace? I'm only pointing out the obvious.

 

[Van]

Why did Jesus tell the Pharisees in Jon 10 he did not die for them if he did, as you claim? He said they could not believe because he did not die for them.

Why, why, why change the subject once again and never respond to the answers of previous questions.

1) No verse in John 10 or anywhere else says Jesus did not lay down His life as a ransom for all. Calvinism is false doctrine.

2) Jesus said "you are not "of My sheep""meaning they were not open or receptive to God's word. Calvinism rewrites this verse (John 10:26) to claim it says "Jesus did not provide the means of salvation for those not of His sheep." Total false doctrine once again.

3) Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all, 1 Timothy 2:6. Thus the first question denies God's word. No response will be forthcoming.

4) Providing the means of salvation for all does not mean all will be saved. Only a Calvinist would claim such an obvious absurdity.

5) Note the Calvinist says Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith, but does not say what that means. It means Christ's birth, life, death and resurrection are what we put our faith in. Nothing more, and nothing less.

 

[Van]

How do you not hate God if Calvin was right about sin and grace? I'm only pointing out the obvious.

You are changing the subject to me to hide the fact Calvinism is as bogus as a three dollar bill. You are a one trick pony, devoid of any actual insight into scripture.

 

[1689Dave]

You are changing the subject to me to hide the fact Calvinism is as bogus as a three dollar bill. You are a one trick pony, devoid of any actual insight into scripture.

It's pure logic that if Calvin's sin and grace are true, you find God repugnant. This will not end in a good place, so I'm dropping the conversation. I'll look you up later.

 

[1689Dave]

Why, why, why change the subject once again and never respond to the answers of previous questions.

1) No verse in John 10 or anywhere else says Jesus did not lay down His life as a ransom for all. Calvinism is false doctrine.

2) Jesus said "you are not "of My sheep""meaning they were not open or receptive to God's word. Calvinism rewrites this verse (John 10:26) to claim it says "Jesus did not provide the means of salvation for those not of His sheep." Total false doctrine once again.

3) Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all, 1 Timothy 2:6. Thus the first question denies God's word. No response will be forthcoming.

4) Providing the means of salvation for all does not mean all will be saved. Only a Calvinist would claim such an obvious absurdity.

5) Note the Calvinist says Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith, but does not say what that means. It means Christ's birth, life, death and resurrection are what we put our faith in. Nothing more, and nothing less.

Study John 10...............see ya

 

[Salty]

Lets look at it this way. Dave has a drivers license - then he commits a major traffic violation. The judge suspends his licence for 30 day, and before removing the suspension - he must pay the $500 fine (NY has high fines). But Dave does not have the money to pay the fine. So at the moment Dave cannot get his license back. Then Van goes down and pays the $500. Even though the penalty has been paid - Dave does not get his licence back yet because he has not accepted the gift.

 

[1689Dave]

Lets look at it this way. Dave has a drivers license - then he commits a major traffic violation. The judge suspends his licence for 30 day, and before removing the suspension - he must pay the $500 fine (NY has high fines). But Dave does not have the money to pay the fine. So at the moment Dave cannot get his license back. Then Van goes down and pays the $500. Even though the penalty has been paid - Dave does not get his licence back yet because he has not accepted the gift.

People dead in sin cannot discern Christ until born again. If people are not bound by sin, they can save themselves as you say. But it doesn't work that way. Paul said we were dead in trespasses and sins, slaves of Satan.

 

[Van]

It's pure logic that if Calvin's sin and grace are true, you find God repugnant. This will not end in a good place, so I'm dropping the conversation. I'll look you up later.

Behold the mindless twaddle of the defense of Calvinism. Attacking opponents rather than addressing the unbiblical doctrine of Calvinism.

 

[Van]

Study John 10...............see ya

The change the subject ploy once again but never responds to the answers of previous questions.

1) No verse in John 10 or anywhere else says Jesus did not lay down His life as a ransom for all. Calvinism is false doctrine.

2) Jesus said "you are not "of My sheep""meaning they were not open or receptive to God's word. Calvinism rewrites this verse (John 10:26) to claim it says "Jesus did not provide the means of salvation for those not of His sheep." Total false doctrine once again.

3) Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all, 1 Timothy 2:6. Thus the bogus claim that Christ did not die for everyone denies God's word. No response will be forthcoming.

4) Providing the means of salvation for all does not mean all will be saved. Only a Calvinist would claim such an obvious absurdity.

5) Note the Calvinist says Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith, but does not say what that means. It means Christ's birth, life, death and resurrection are what we put our faith in. Nothing more, and nothing less.

6) After careful study of John 10, it teaches Calvinism is as bogus as a three dollar bill.

 

[Van]

People dead in sin cannot discern Christ until born again. If people are not bound by sin, they can save themselves as you say. But it doesn't work that way. Paul said we were dead in trespasses and sins, slaves of Satan.

Yet another bogus and unbiblical claim. The "T" of the Tulip has been shown to be bogus. The people of Matthew 23:13 were seeking God, and Jesus said in Matthew 13 He spoke in parables to preclude people from believing at that time. In Romans 11, God hardened hearts, which of course would not have been done if the "T" were valid. No matter how many verses are cited teaching the lost can respond to spiritual milk, the verses will be ignored.