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"Turn Thou me and I shall be turned : FOR THOU ART THE LORD MY GOD.
Surely after that I was turned, I repented ... I was ashamed, even confounded." Jeremiah 31:18,19.

 

What?!? In one fell swoop, you just demonstrated your lack of understanding of Christ's atonement and Calvinism. Only an Arminian would confuse penal substitution with Anselmian satisfaction. :laugh:

 

What?!?

I'm confused for sure!

Shucks.... such learning far above my head ...

 

Lol...that was for Rebel

 

I'm surprised this thread hasn't been shut down yet. It's been offensive to all sides of the debate.

 

No, No. Everyone knows that you are SDA. That doesn't count.

 

There is Cal, Arm. and non-Cal.
I am non-Cal. I prefer to call my position "Biblicist," but someone took that moniker, so I will just say that I have the Biblical one.

The Aminians believe one can lose their salvation. I don't.
The Arminians believe in entire sanctification. I don't.

 

That's interesting. So are you saying that all Arminians hold to Perfectionism?

 

Sadly for your statement - I am Arminian.

The point remains.

no wait! "only Baptists count"????

in Christ,

Bob

 

Arminian vs Wesleyan

 

It is true that Calvin was a believer in penal substitution.

So also am I because of the "to whom the stroke was due" language in Isaiah 53 (for example).

But Calvin was weak on the subject of atonement.

in Christ,

Bob

 

Yes, they believe that they can come to that point in their life where they do not sin any longer. It is called entire sanctification. That is one of the two points where Whitefield had to separate from the Wesleys, even though he was highly influenced by them in his early years to become a Christian. However, they remained good friends even till his dying days despite their differences.

 

Don't tell me that I don't understand. The atonement is a specialty of mine. PSA is a development of Satisfaction. Further, I am not an Arminian. I do not hold to total depravity, nor the governmental theory of atonement.

I suggest further study for you so that in the future you won't make incorrect statements. Especially study the atonement. You'll see that fundie Calvinists who bash Roman Catholics are really bashing their cousins -- that is, as far as the atonement goes.

 

DHK, the Freewill Baptists don't hold to entire sanctification.

 

Really?

So then you agree that you're a Pelagian?

 

Yes. Simply because a person believes one can come to Christ of their own free will does not make them an Arminian. That is a mischaracterization of the Calvinist. They use the term "Arminian" in a derogatory manner. Half the time they don't know what they are talking about and are just parroting what some other person has said.

 

There is only one 'at-one-ment' with God and that is Jesus Christ. Never in ourselves.

That is why in every 'sanctification' or 'sanctity' verse in the New Testament, 'our sanctification' like our justification like our righteousness IS CHRIST AND IS IN HIM.

"Without holiness no one shall see God" or come into his Presence or share in his Glory. And that holiness is Jesus "THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS".

Learnedness in 'Atonement' or in 'Atonement Theology' is academic rant; no more.

 

Keep trying. You might come up with something that fits -- but I doubt it.

 

Seems like some of them use lots of terms in a derogatory manner. Some Calvinists, maybe even many, seem to have contempt for non-Calvinists. I dislike and disagree with Calvinism, but I don't extend that to the individuals themselves. I have Calvinist close friends who are not jerks.

 

At least we Calvinists are inside the Church of christ, but the SDA cannot make that claim!