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Is Baptism the New Circumcision?
- Thread starter Wittenberger
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One is not transformed or saved by works or obedience, but rather by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit who comes to indwell every believer at the time of salvation. Salvation is a free gift of God. IT cannot be earned or worked for; it is a gift to be received by faith.
Salvation is by faith alone in Christ alone through grace alone.
There is no other way.
Your question is stupid! It is stupid because it is like trying to answer the question "have you stopped beating your wife?"
Your question ASSUMES you have to inform God or he will not know! That is stupid since he is omniscient.
Your question INFERS to be obedient to the Law by NOT doing those things is BRAGGADOUS when that is not necessary the case and YOU KNOW IT!
your question is stupid!
The reason you ask such a stupid question is because you are desperately loooking for a way to escape answering my question.
It is Stupid to suggest that obedience to God's Law is not "good works" as that demands that OBEDIENCE cannot be the grounds for rewarding blessings by God for doing "GOOD" works! That is really stupid as it removes OBEDIENCE to God's Commandments altogether as the basis for identifying "good" works!!!
It is so stupid that I am amazed that you are not embarassed as any Sunday school child of seven knows the answer. If you asked a child, "is obedience to God rewarded by God?" They would say immediately yes. If you asked them is "obedience to God's commandments grounds for God to reward you for "GOOD WORKS?" They would immediately say yes as common sense demands that answer but Moriah WILL NOT answer it because it would expose his whole system of salvation for what it is - false!
Will you be rewarded for not killing any one, or will you be rewarded for all the people you could have killed but did not?
Your question reveals you do not understand this commandment. You are distorting this commandment exactly as did the Pharisees and that is precisely why your view of sin and righteousness is Phariseeical.
Christ taught that this commandment is actually violated when unjust anger is allowed in your heart. So in order to obey this command, you must prevent unjust anger from arising, occuring in your heart.
Hence, the proper question should be, does God reward you for preventing unjust anger from arising in your heart, which is obedience to this commandment?
You see, properly understanding the commandment changes the whole nature of your two questions does it not? Your questions would have to be worded as followed:
Will you be rewarded for refusing to allow unjust anger at anyone, or will you be rewarded for all the people you could have been unjustly angry with but did not get angry at?
When you word it properly then your attempt to make a distinction simply vanishes because obedience to your first question is required to obey the second question because it all comes down to RESTRAINING anger from arising in your heart period whether potentially or actually!
So, why can't you get yourself to ask the question in keeping with how God will view it on Judgement day? Will God reward obedience to His commandments on judgement day and will he view them as "good works" or does he view obedience to his commandments as "bad works"?
Moriah, there is only two possible responses to his commandments!
1. Obedience
2. Disobedience
Moriah, on judgement day there are only two possible classifications for reward and they correspond exactly to whether you OBEYED or DISOBEYED his commandments. He will either reward you according to what he deems as GOOD works or EVIL works.
So Moriah, is restraining unjust anger from arising in your heart DISOBEDIENCE or OBEDIENCE to this command?
So Moriah, does God view OBEDIENCE as "good works" or as "evil works"??
So Moriah, does God REWARD obedience?
BTW Moriah, how do YOU prevent unjust anger from arising in your heart?
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Did you receive the Holy Spirit by being obedient to the law, or by faith in jesus?
You would not be transformed at all.
Salvation is through regeneration not reformation.
It always has been.
Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Michael Wrenn
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Praise Him all creatures here below,
Praise Him above ye heavenly host,
Praise Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Amen!
Just had to complete it.
Praise Him all creatures here below,
Praise Him above ye heavenly host,
Praise Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Amen!
Just had to complete it.
Please feel free....any time!:thumbs:
You are not even supposed to be angry with your brother, so why would God praise you for not murdering your brother?
You are the one who does not understand.
I would be ashamed to think God would praise me for not murdering my brother.
I did not want a religion's truth; I wanted God’s Truth more than I wanted anything or anyone. I searched for God and got forceful about it. I was never going to give up. I got Jesus' teachings and began to do what he said. I received the Holy Spirit when I believed and did not doubt no more, after I admitted my sins and was sorry for every sin I ever committed. I received the Holy Spirit when I called on Jesus to help me.
That IS murdering your brother in your heart! Obedience to this command begins IN THE HEART just as DISOBEDIENCE begins IN THE HEART!
Your problem remains, God rewards people for Disobedience that begins IN THE HEART and therefore God rewards OBEDIENCE that begins in the heart OR do you deny God rewards obedience?
What is OBEDIENCE to this command? To "NOT" be unjustly angry with another IN YOUR HEART! Is obedience to this command rewarded on judgement day?
God's word says that he will "REWARD" obedience and disobedience on judgment day but YOU CHANGE HIS WORDS to "praise"! What have you repeatedly rebuked others? Oh yeah, "STOP ADDING TO GOD'S WORD" and "DON'T USE YOUR WORD'S"!!! The text we have been discussing is The scripture that says he will "REWARD every man according to his works." So practice what you preach and quit changing God's Word and using your own words.
However, I will play your little game with the word change. So on judgment day God PRAISES obedience and does NOT PRAISE disobedience??????? If the word "reward" means "praise" then on judgment day God does NOT PRAISE disobedience but he PRAISES obedience and can you OBEY this command or should we disobey it???????
You are trying desperately to wiggle out of this problem but you can't! You are so desperate you change God's word "reward" to "praise." You are so desperate you deny the obvious - this commandment can be obeyed and God rewards obedience as much as he does disobedience on judgement day and how do you obey this command Moriah????
You speak a lot of nonsense.
LOLOLOLOLOL
You do not know God.
You do not know me, you speak lies about me, and you sure do not know God.
Here is your true character exposed! You are not a lover of God or His word but an enemy in sheeps clothing.
It is not that you cannot answer the questions as even a sunday school seven year old could easily answer them because they are so obvious to anyone with common sense - God rewards obedience to His commandments and what is obedience to "thou shalt not commit murder"? It is NOT allowing unjunst anger to enter your heart.
The problem is that you WILL NOT answer the questions because you fully well know if you confess that God rewards obedience to the ten commandments then these are the "works of the law" as the ten commandments was given by Moses. Paul condemns anyone who teaches we are justified "by the works of the Law" or saved "by the works of the law" and that is exactly what you teach. Furthermore, it is impossible for you to continue to pervert the words "the works of the law" to mean only ceremonial laws and sacrifices as the ten commandments are part of the Mosaic Law! In addition, Christ, Paul and James all quote the ten commandments as applicable to New Testament Christians.
if you admit the obvious, then You condemn you view of salvation as false! You fall under the condemnation of Galatians 1:8-9 as one who preaches "another gospel" because you believe you are saved by works and "works" necessarily involve obedience to the TEN COMMANDMENTS which are still valid and still commanded in the New Testament.
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I have answered your questions. You think you can say anything you want. You speak nonsense.
Again, you do not know me, and you sure do not know God.