Wittenberger
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As I previously stated, it is only Abraham that is set forth as THE EXAMPLE for ALL OF FAITH - no one else - Rom. 4:11; Gal. 3:6-7.
Circumcision is a type of new birth and the administration to male infants under the Old Covenant is simply a more expanded type of the same new birth. More expanded type as the literal cutting off of flesh is applied to literal infants at literal 8 days of age.
That is the "shadow" while the actual new birth is the substance. New birth is the beginning of a spiritual life like literal birth is the beginning of a physical life. Eight days is the Bibical symbol of new birth.
Under the "everlasting Covenant" (heb. 13:20) which EVERY SINGLE person "from the least" know God and do not have to be taught (confirmed) to know God as to know God is eternal life (Jn. 17:3; Jere. 31:34):
Jer. 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Heb. 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: 11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
Jn. 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Infant circucmision of males at eight days old is simply the more expanded "shadow" or "type" or "figure" of new birth under the New Covenant.
I appreciate your responses, Brother.
I am keeping an open mind. I seek the Truth, whereever that may be. I intend to do more studying on the subject. I was raised Baptist. I was a preacher's son. I know the doctrine, I just find the Lutheran position more convincingly sciptural and historically consistent.
I don't think anyone is going to change their position on this issue. Here is a copy of a statement by the Lutheran Church, Missouri Synod, the second largest Lutheran denomination in the United States, a conservative, confessional Lutheran Church:
How is the Gospel obscured?
The Gospel is obscured by well-intentioned people who
want to encourage a life of good works, and end up making
Christians think that it is by their works that they are saved.
This is a great danger. Through His Word and Sacraments,
Jesus is constantly working in our lives to forgive our sins and
strengthen our relationship with God.God always receives the
credit for our salvation.He is the one working in us.This is not
something we can d
love in our hearts and lives. Our good works in this life do
not save us,only Christ saves us. Works serve our neighbor
and show to the world that we are grateful for God’s mercy in
our lives.
Another way the Gospel can be obscured is when too much
emphasis is put on an emotional response to the Gospel.Some
Christians believe that unless they have some sort of ecstatic,
charismatic experience,or feel some sort of “spiritual high,”
they are not really Christians. It is truly sad that some people
look into their own hearts for the security that they are children
of God,instead of putting their hope and trust in the objective
work of Christ for them,and in the means God uses to come to
them—His Word and Sacraments.
If we find ourselves beginning to ask, “Am I doing
enough?”or thinking,“It doesn’t matter what I do,for God will
forgive me anyway,”then we are at risk of losing Christ and His
forgiveness.We look always to Jesus and put our hope and trust
in Him.He is our Savior.And,that’s good news!
All blessing,honor, thanks and praise to Father,Son and
Spirit, the God who saved us by His grace. All glory to His
merit! O triune God in heaven above,you have revealed your
saving love.Your blessed name we hallow.
— Dr.A.L.Barry
President
The Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod