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Is Christ "completely God, completely flesh"?

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by 1689Dave, Aug 16, 2020.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    You affirm that God is One Being in 3 Persons, and not as the heretical oneness teach, correct?
    And that Jesus is fully God and man, One person with 2 distinct natures?
     
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    Jesus is no longer man; He's now fully God again.
     
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    I think Hebrews disagrees.
     
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    I disagree. He was never "not fully God" and He is also "man" (He is the Firstborn and we are the "brothers"). I think it was D. A. Carson who put it this way - now there is man in the glory.
     
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    He's no longer man. When He returns, He will be in His full power & glory. He temporarily laid some of that aside so He could become also a man, but that role is over.
     
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    He was always fully God and man since his Incarnation!
     
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    Jesus is forever the God man!
     
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    he still has those nail scars and wounds in his body!
     
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    Question

    Did this, "Spirit/Soul" become this, "spirit/soul" ?

    How? Was it not through this?
    But when the fullness of the time had come, God sent forth His Son, born[fn] of a woman, born under law, Gal 4:4 NKJV -- BTW I removed the from before law because it is not there and I believe Christ was born under this: Law.
    Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

    Was the woman necessary for Christ?
    Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit. Matt 1:18 NKJV

    Why was the woman taken from the man?

    How did Eve help Adam? How was she his help meet? ----
    For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.
     
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    If you have a false understanding of Christ. You are either extremely limited in bible study or lost.
     
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    One person, God. with two natures. One divine, the other human.
     
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    Nestorianism (the popular view here) is heresy.
     
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    Athanasius of Alexandria, also called Athanasius the Great, Athanasius the Confessor or, primarily in the Coptic Orthodox Church, Athanasius the Apostolic, was the 20th bishop of Alexandria. Wikipedia
    Born: Alexandria, Egypt ?
    Died: May 2, 373 AD, Alexandria, Egypt

    451 produced the Chalcedon creed. It is later than Athanasius.
     
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    Why did you react to the Symbol of Chalcedon the way you did and continue to do? It is proven true and it proves you false.
     
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    "fully human" not defined correctly = Jesus is multiple personality = crazy.
     
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    I have no idea what you are talking about.

    The only thing I said about the Chalcedon Creed is that I believe it is correct.

    I also said I am not creedal (while I believe both creeds accurate I do not hold them in an authority for my faith).

    I am Baptist. We do not hold Ecumenical creeds the same way you do.

    Again, quote me departing from the orthodox doctrine of the Trinity or be called a liar.

    You keep saying things you cannot back up.

    You keep making charges but cannot provide a quote.

    Provide a quote when making wild accusations.
     
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    :Laugh

    You have absolutely no clue.

    You need to study before making such ignorant claims.

    The creed was not a written by Athanasius.
     
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    You need to study before making ignorant accusations.

    No member has stated Nestorianism.

    You have no idea what you are talking about.

    The issue is you are taking a Catholic stance on the Baptist section of the board. Baptists will not accept your position when it comes to the creeds. But Baptists (unlike you) do hold in common with other theologies the orthodox Christian view of the Trinity.
     
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    I am still confused. Can you state exactly what you believe and what the issue is with what others believe. is it the natures, the persons, the wills etc.?
     
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    For those (like me) not up on your ancient heresies, here is a definition from THEOPEDIA:

    Nestorianism is basically the doctrine that Jesus existed as two persons, the man Jesus and the divine Son of God, rather than as a unified person. This doctrine is identified with Nestorius (c.386-451), Patriarch of Constantinople, although he himself denied holding this belief. This view of Christ was condemned at the Council of Ephesus in 431, and the conflict over this view led to the Nestorian schism, separating the Assyrian Church of the East from the Byzantine Church.

    The motivation for this view was an aversion to the idea that "God" suffered and died on the cross, be it the divinity itself, the Trinity, or one of the persons of the Trinity. Thus, they would say, Jesus the perfect man suffered and died, not the divine second person of the Trinity, for such is an impossible thought -- hence the inference that two "persons" essentially inhabited the one body of Jesus. Nestorius himself argued against calling Mary the "Mother of God" (Theotokos) as the church was beginning to do. He held that Mary was the mother of Christ only in respect to His humanity. The council at Ephesus (431) accused Nestorius of the heresy of teaching "two persons" in Christ and insisted that Theotokos was an appropriate title for Mary.

    The problem with Nestorianism is that it threatens the atonement. If Jesus is two persons, then which one died on the cross? If it was the "human person" then the atonement is not of divine quality and thereby insufficient to cleanse us of our sins.


    Apollinarianism is a heresy maintaining that Jesus Christ was not a real man, but not totally divine either. Apollinarians suggested that he had a human body and a human soul, but his mind was taken over by the eternal Logos. The heretical belief is named for Apollinaris of Laodicea (ca. 350).
     
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