Is defending yourself really that bad?

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

So, I said it was a horrible murder and was terrible to use such events for political purposes. I asked for follow up info about motive and arrest.

But because I didn’t specifically say anything about race, it reflects badly on me? Shows my true colors, right?

You are correct, I don’t have knee jerk reactions concerning race. I try to find out information about the case.

peace to you

Sorry, but no, you don’t get a pass. Your imbalance looks way too hypocritical. You said of the incident in the OP: “The case has major racial significance,” (post #102), but with no justification. In this one, however, when given the specific opportunity you totally ignored race.

The only reason the OP case is of “major racial significance” is because people with your biased mindset make it so. You are, of course, entitled to try to weasel your way out of this. No doubt some have the popcorn popping already.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

...peace to you...

And BTW, cjd, JIC no one ever told you, your raspberry following your “peace to you” rather mocks the sentiment.

 

[Salty]

Since race has been brought up what are some thoughts about these articles

Seven Stats

FBI Stats

 

[MartyF]

Since race has been brought up what are some thoughts about these articles

Seven Stats

FBI Stats

It shows that we are still a heavily segregated society.

It also shows that a huge police presence has no effect on the crime rate, In fact, the police many times cause more problems than they solve. Laws against drugs and the DEA actually make the drug problem worse - not better. Swat teams lead to more deaths - not less.

There have been many small Texas towns which have fired their entire police force. Crime rates did not skyrocket. Combating crime is not only done through more police and more laws. This becomes counter-productive at a point.

 

[Salty]

It shows that we are still a heavily segregated society.

It also shows that a huge police presence has no effect on the crime rate, In fact, the police many times cause more problems than they solve. Laws against drugs and the DEA actually make the drug problem worse - not better. Swat teams lead to more deaths - not less.
.

and why is that? would that mean that laws against bank robbery would make that worse?

There have been many small Texas towns which have fired their entire police force. Crime rates did not skyrocket. Combating crime is not only done through more police and more laws. This becomes counter-productive at a point.

and why is that ? How is it that crime did not go up when there are less police

Though I will agree that there are too many laws!

 

[MartyF]

would that mean that laws against bank robbery would make that worse?

I mentioned nothing about laws against bank robbery.

I mentioned laws against drugs and for information about that, I would recommend reading about prohibition. After that, start trying to find and read about the drug cartel problem in Mexico.

When you support laws which illegalizes God’s creation - not man’s, then you are opposing God.

and why is that ? How is it that crime did not go up when there are less police

Because police by themselves do not reduce crime. They never have. They sometimes find the criminal afterwards, but not always. Most police in small towns in Texas spend their time writing tickets to justify their salaries. Doesn’t seem to stop the grocery store from being robbed at gunpoint in broad daylight, but the tickets do pull in more revenue.

A policeman in one town stops patrolling the “neighborhood” about halfway through the year when he has earned his salary in tickets. One town near me made $9000 per citizen in ticket fines in an area where the per-capita is less than $30000.

And this duo which killed the jogger - They would have gotten off Scott-free if they had been LEO. The duo was just emulating cops.

Police are now part of the problem - not the solution.

 

[canadyjd]

Sorry, but no, you don’t get a pass. Your imbalance looks way too hypocritical. You said of the incident in the OP: “The case has major racial significance,” (post #102), but with no justification. In this one, however, when given the specific opportunity you totally ignored race.

The only reason the OP case is of “major racial significance” is because people with your biased mindset make it so. You are, of course, entitled to try to weasel your way out of this. No doubt some have the popcorn popping already.

You may not see major racial implications when two armed white men in a pickup truck chase down and shoot to death an unarmed black man in Georgia. We will disagree.

Concerning the murder of of elderly white couple by the black man, I asked for evidence of motive. If there is evidence to suspect racial motivation, just point to it.

Peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

And BTW, cjd, JIC no one ever told you, your raspberry following your “peace to you” rather mocks the sentiment.View attachment 3828

I don’t know what you mean by a “raspberry” following “peace to you”.

The only thing from me that follows “peace to you” is sincerity.

peace to you

 

[MartyF]

One last book, I would recommend is

https://www.amazon.com/Tulia-Cocaine-Corruption-Small-Texas/dp/1586484540

 

[canadyjd]

Since race has been brought up what are some thoughts about these articles

Seven Stats

FBI Stats

The statistics are interesting. They basically show that, concerning murder, the overwhelming majority of murders are committed by someone of the same race.

Also, there is clearly higher percentage rates of reported crimes committed by Americans of African descent compared to their percentage in the population.

Personally, I would like to see a comparison by age, not just race. Do you have a community where you have a larger percentage of minority youth in comparison to older white people?

For instance, what if Americans of African descent make up 20 percent of a total population but 40 percent of population under 25? A comparison by age might tell us as much or more than a comparison by race.

You can also add comparisons by high school graduations rates, job rates, teenage pregnancies rates.

peace to you

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

What a horrible murder. It is terrible that anyone would use such a tragedy for political purposes. Did they catch the killer? Is he going to prison?

Did they catch the killer? Did they find out why he did it?

So, I said it was a horrible murder and was terrible to use such events for political purposes. I asked for follow up info about motive and arrest.

But because I didn’t specifically say anything about race, it reflects badly on me? Shows my true colors, right?

You may not see major racial implications when two armed white men in a pickup truck chase down and shoot to death an unarmed black man in Georgia. We will disagree.

Concerning the murder of of elderly white couple by the black man, I asked for evidence of motive. If there is evidence to suspect racial motivation, just point to it.

Instead of applying the same sort of racist observation to the other incident, you talked of how horrible it was, but didn’t seem to even catch the story.

Someone might attribute that failure to poor reading comprehension or to not really caring, even though you tried to express otherwise.

FYI, the shooter ended up dead by either police fire or his own hand. From the article:

Police found Francis dead around six hours after the shooting in a wooded area near the cemetery. Hours earlier, officers and Francis exchanged gunfire in the area.​

Here’s a spin you might use to weasel out: just claim this other type of incident is all too common and expected, and thus of little racial significance.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

You may not see major racial implications when two armed white men in a pickup truck chase down and shoot to death an unarmed black man in Georgia. We will disagree.

You have provided zero bona fide reasons to claim some sort of racial bias involved, much less that the incident has major racial implications.

 

[canadyjd]

....
I mentioned laws against drugs and for information about that,....When you support laws which illegalizes God’s creation - not man’s, then you are opposing God.
Because police by themselves do not reduce crime....Police are now part of the problem - not the solution.

It is not “opposing God” to make certain drugs illegal.

Police do reduce crime. Just go to any country where anarchy reigns and you will change your mind very quickly.

The overwhelming majority of LEO are honest, incredibly brave, and doing the hard work only a certain quality of men/women are prepared to do.

I thank God for LEOs and the sacrifice they make everyday to stand in the breach and protect us all.

peace to you

 

[Salty]

The statistics are interesting. They basically show that, concerning murder, the overwhelming majority of murders are committed by someone of the same race.

Also, there is clearly higher percentage rates of reported crimes committed by Americans of African descent compared to their percentage in the population.

Personally, I would like to see a comparison by age, not just race. Do you have a community where you have a larger percentage of minority youth in comparison to older white people?

For instance, what if Americans of African descent make up 20 percent of a total population but 40 percent of population under 25? A comparison by age might tell us as much or more than a comparison by race.

You can also add comparisons by high school graduations rates, job rates, teenage pregnancies rates.

peace to you

Bringing up some good points
But I as starting a new thread on all this as the last several posts have gotten away from the OP.

 

[Salty]

Six hour warning - this thread will close no sooner than 1030 pm EDT / 730 pm PDT

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

I don’t know what you mean by a “raspberry” following “peace to you”.

Your signature looks like this from here:

peace to youraying:
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I provided a screenshot of it with the previous message.

 

[777]

And this duo which killed the jogger - They would have gotten off Scott-free if they had been LEO. The duo was just emulating cops.

Again, the older guy in the truck was former LEO and connected with the DA's office up the wazoo - I bet he knew Georgia law far better than you, he had been an investigator.

Beats me how people rush up to defend some criminal dumb enough to charge someone holding a shotgun. The jogger thing, that's the BLM narrative, he was no jogger. Try convicted thief.

 

[canadyjd]

Your signature looks like this from here:

peace to youraying:
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I provided a screenshot of it with the previous message.

I don’t put an automatic signature on my posts. I write “peace to you” each time. If something else is coming up, I don’t know how, and I don’t see it.

peace to you

 

[canadyjd]

Thanks for the conversation all.

peace to you

 

[Reynolds]

It shows that we are still a heavily segregated society.

It also shows that a huge police presence has no effect on the crime rate, In fact, the police many times cause more problems than they solve. Laws against drugs and the DEA actually make the drug problem worse - not better. Swat teams lead to more deaths - not less.

There have been many small Texas towns which have fired their entire police force. Crime rates did not skyrocket. Combating crime is not only done through more police and more laws. This becomes counter-productive at a point.

Its more complex than you are trying to make it. When a police department closes, The Sheriffs office absorbs the case load. Its not like you did away with law enforcement in a town. You simply changed who was doing the enforcement.
A small PD in my neighboring county closed. All 4 officers went to work for the Sheriffs office.
War on drugs did reduce growth in drug trade.