Is Drinking Alcohol a Sin?

[standingfirminChrist]

I do not see those words nor wring that meaning from them. Please clarify.

Of course you don't. When you try to read the scripture with an already made up mind that it is ok to drink alcohol, then you will not see the commands not to, nor will you understand that Christ was not saying He drank alcohol.

1 Corinthians 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[Baptist_Pastor/Theologian]

When reading the Bible this morning I came across Gal. 6:8, "For the one who sows to his own flesh will from the flesh reap corruption, but the one who sows to the Spirit will from the Spirit reap eternal life."

This passage draws two drastically different views of the world. This discussion has featured two drastically different views on alcohol. One thing is for sure, both cannot be correct.

 

[ituttut]

Because you are using the Scripture to deceive. Remember, the devil also used Scripture to try to deceive Christ. And He denied their authority in the context they were used.

Did you read Psalms 104? Do you not know it is not I you condemn, but the Psalmist? You evidently believe someone else rather that the Word.

I'll stand on His Word for there is a foundation under it. All else is sinking sand. The tide comes in to us all, to see what foundation, if any, we are on.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

If you take that verse in context that you so often quote, wine that maketh the heart glad cannot be the same wine that bites like a serpent and stings like an adder. It is not the same wine that deceives and mocks.

The wine in Psalm 104 is a non-alcoholic wine. It is not I who mock the Psalmist, I believe just as is written. It is you who twist and mock the Word of God, just as satan did in the Garden of Eden.

 

[Alcott]

When you try to read the scripture with an already made up mind that it is ok to drink alcohol, then you will not see the commands not to

And when you read scripture, Slick, with your mind made up that drinking alcohol is the unforgivable sin, that it's not kosher, that its condemnation is the essence of the gospel, you miss the commands to "let no one criticize you for what you eat or drink" [Colossians 2:16], or to " give strong drink to him perishing and wine to him whose life is bitter" [Proverbs 31:6,7]. It seems inevitable that you snub these commands.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

If you are perishing, and ready to die, Alcott. Then by all means, go ahead and drink. Get stoned out of your gourd and then stand before the Father and tell him it is ok to drink.

 

[ituttut]

And a hearty AMEN!!

The Child of God is not to drink alcoholic beverages.

You "amen" someone that believes error also?

The Corinthians drank wine and got drunk. Are you saying none of them were saved?

 

[ituttut]

If you take that verse in context that you so often quote, wine that maketh the heart glad cannot be the same wine that bites like a serpent and stings like an adder. It is not the same wine that deceives and mocks.

The wine in Psalm 104 is a non-alcoholic wine. It is not I who mock the Psalmist, I believe just as is written. It is you who twist and mock the Word of God, just as satan did in the Garden of Eden.

Are you honestly saying "grape juice" can make you drunk?

If so, have you ever considered all those that were getting drunk as they came together in the church for the "Lord's Supper" in I Corinthians 11 must have been drinking "grape juice" according to your understanding? Aren't you afraid that one of these days you may take just one sip to many and become drunk?

If these Christians were getting "drunk" (I would hope you agree they were) then as you say they were drinking "grape juice", and not wine. In this case don't you know that you should certainly change you habits, for you are drinking that which will make you drunk. But I thought you said that "wine" will make you drunk, and "grape juice" will not.

Won't you please believe what you read in Psalms 104, and in I Corinthians 11? Tell me in your understanding of His Word if Jesus at that Last Supper was drinking "the Fruit of the Vine", the intoxicating grape juice just as were those Christians in Corinth, did He get drunk? Or was He drinking "wine", and did not get drunk? If not one of these then what was He "drinking" from the cup?

 

[standingfirminChrist]

ittuttut,

Go back and study. Paul rebuked the Corinthian church because they were not gathering for the Lord's supper. They were gathering for their own meals, not in honor of Christ.

1 Corinthians 11:20-22 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not.

They had a pretense of partaking of the Lord's supper when in fact, they were having a common meal that Paul rebukes them for, not drunkenness.

Also, since that word 'drunken in verse 21 can also mean 'drink well', it does not necessarily mean they were drinking an intoxicating drink. Only drinking more than theiy needed. Just as they were being greedy and selfish with their food, so were they greedy and selfish with the juice. Their greed for the drink and food caused some to go without.

Jesus was drinking 'the fruit of the vine'. Nowhere did He call it an alcoholic beverage, and you are slandering His character by saying it was alcohol. The Prince of Peace, the King of kings would not have drank alcoholic beverage, for it was forbidden. And Christ did not come to destroy the law, but to fulfill it. The law forbade princes and kings to drink alcoholic beverage lest it pervert their judgment. Christ fulfilled that part of the law. He did not drink alcoholic beverage.

 

[Alcott]

If you are perishing, and ready to die, Alcott. Then by all means, go ahead and drink.

I am that; it's just a matter of time. Meanwhile, my life is definitelly quite bitter, and I do drink wine. I buy some of it, and some I make.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

The Lord just reminded me of a verse in the New Testament.

Ephesians 4:31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:

I notice Paul did not say to drink wine here, but that bitterness should be put away from you.

What's the best way to put it away from you? We again read the answer in the Word of God

Looking unto Jesus, the one who gives peace that passes all understanding.

There is your cure for the bitterness, alcott. Look to Jesus, not to the bottle. Sure, it can help you forget your misery, but it cannot take it away. Only Jesus can do that.

 

[annsni]

Are you honestly saying "grape juice" can make you drunk?

If so, have you ever considered all those that were getting drunk as they came together in the church for the "Lord's Supper" in I Corinthians 11 must have been drinking "grape juice" according to your understanding? Aren't you afraid that one of these days you may take just one sip to many and become drunk?

If these Christians were getting "drunk" (I would hope you agree they were) then as you say they were drinking "grape juice", and not wine. In this case don't you know that you should certainly change you habits, for you are drinking that which will make you drunk. But I thought you said that "wine" will make you drunk, and "grape juice" will not.

Won't you please believe what you read in Psalms 104, and in I Corinthians 11? Tell me in your understanding of His Word if Jesus at that Last Supper was drinking "the Fruit of the Vine", the intoxicating grape juice just as were those Christians in Corinth, did He get drunk? Or was He drinking "wine", and did not get drunk? If not one of these then what was He "drinking" from the cup?

Don't you know that the way to interpret Scripture is, if it's talking positively about wine, it must be non-alcoholic and if it's talking negatively, then it's alcoholic?? If Jesus drank it, it's juice, if it's encouraged (like for Timothy), it's juice, but if it's talking of a warning (like in Proverbs 23), it's all about the wine.

 

[standingfirminChrist]

I'm so glad you are beginning to see the light, annsni. Now if you will just diligently apply those pearls of wisdom to your heart instead of sarcastically keeping them in your head, I am sure God will be pleased.

 

[saturneptune]

And when you read scripture, Slick, with your mind made up that drinking alcohol is the unforgivable sin, that it's not kosher, that its condemnation is the essence of the gospel, you miss the commands to "let no one criticize you for what you eat or drink" [Colossians 2:16], or to " give strong drink to him perishing and wine to him whose life is bitter" [Proverbs 31:6,7]. It seems inevitable that you snub these commands.

Thats ok, you snub common sense. So how does it feel to be an alcohol apologist?

 

[webdog]

How is he snubbing common sense? Snubbing common sense would be to interpret Luke 7:33-35 any differently than it's straight reading.

So how does it feel to be an alcohol apologist?

Ask God...

Deu 14:24 And if the way is too long for you, so that you are not able to carry the tithe, when the LORD your God blesses you, because the place is too far from you, which the LORD your God chooses, to set his name there,
Deu 14:25 then you shall turn it into money and bind up the money in your hand and go to the place that the LORD your God chooses
Deu 14:26 and spend the money for whatever you desire--oxen or sheep or wine or strong drink, whatever your appetite craves. And you shall eat there before the LORD your God and rejoice, you and your household.

 

[Baptist_Pastor/Theologian]

Thats ok, you snub common sense. So how does it feel to be an alcohol apologist?

Well one thing is for sure, he has not taken the high road... I have always preferred the moral high ground.

 

[webdog]

*sniff, sniff* I smell pride and boasting...

 

[standingfirminChrist]

it has already been shown in an earlier thread that the wine and strong dirnk in Deuteronomy 14:26 could not have been alcoholic.

I tell you, the spiritual blindness of man's heart is far worse than my physical blindness.

 

[webdog]

I forgot... to correctly exegete Scritpture about wine, if it's referred to as being a blessing or for offering it is to be non alcoholic...but in connection with drunkeness it's alcoholic. I will mark that in my notes under "how to eisegete Scripture".

 

[standingfirminChrist]

Your sarcasm is noted. Until the Spirit reveals the truth to your heart, webdog, you will continue to eisegete scripture pertaining with wine.