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Is Drinking, Smoking, and Dipping a Sin

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npetreley

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EdSutton said:
I wonder if anyone else bothered to read this link you provided?

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I read it, but the comment is wrong. Denatured alcohol does absorb through the skin into the bloodstream. The only reason it's called "denatured" is because other chemicals are added to it to make it undrinkable. The ethyl alcohol is still there in its original form. As I pointed out in another link, a baby ingested ethyl alcohol because its umbilical stump was wrapped in gauze and denatured ethyl alcohol. How do I know it was denatured? Because ethyl alcohol for antiseptic use is denatured so that people won't drink it.

In this particular case, the baby got intoxicated, but that's because the baby was so young and its skin so easily permeated (skin is very porous at that age).

Absorption through the skin has been confirmed by a report (Dalt et al, 1991) of a case of a 1 – month old infant who became intoxicated as a result of absorption of ethyl alcohol from dressings applied to the stump of the umbilical cord and the skin adjacent to it.
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http://www.chemcases.com/alcohol/alc-04.htm

I don't know why people want to remain ignorant on this point. Alcohol is gets into your pores and into the bloodstream very easily. It isn't the substance MOST able to permeate your skin (DMSO penetrates faster and deeper than alcohol), but it's one of the best.

Again, according to the Medical Safety Data Sheet on Isopropyl alcohol (the alcohol sometimes used in common rubbing alcohol, and very often used in cosmetics and hair care products):

May be absorbed through the skin with possible systemic effects.

Inhalation of vapors irritates the respiratory tract. Exposure to high concentrations has a narcotic effect, producing symptoms of dizziness, drowsiness, headache, staggering, unconsciousness and possibly death.
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http://www.chess.cornell.edu/safety/manual/msds/srpylch.htm

That should end all argument on the topic, but it won't, of course.
 
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His Blood Spoke My Name

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A certain somebody revealed his true colors by sending me a pm accusing me of being a self righteous pharisee.

As I told Him, my righteousness is in the Lord Jesus Christ... whom I serve. He is able to keep me from falling, and yes, He can keep me from falling for even a week or more... if I allow Him. If I yield to Him. If I submit to Him.

If I do this, I am able to resist any temptation the devil may throw at me.

One who is submitted to God will do the will of God,.

Many can't submit because they do not want to live by God's rules.
 
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His Blood Spoke My Name said:
A certain somebody revealed his true colors by sending me a pm accusing me of being a self righteous pharisee.

As I told Him, my righteousness is in the Lord Jesus Christ... whom I serve. He is able to keep me from falling, and yes, He can keep me from falling for even a week or more... if I allow Him. If I yield to Him. If I submit to Him.

If I do this, I am able to resist any temptation the devil may throw at me.

One who is submitted to God will do the will of God,.

Many can't submit because they do not want to live by God's rules.
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It certainly is not me. What I have to say to you I say in public.
 
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His Blood Spoke My Name

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npetreley said:
I read it, but the comment is wrong. Denatured alcohol does absorb through the skin into the bloodstream. The only reason it's called "denatured" is because other chemicals are added to it to make it undrinkable. The ethyl alcohol is still there in its original form. As I pointed out in another link, a baby ingested ethyl alcohol because its umbilical stump was wrapped in gauze and denatured ethyl alcohol. How do I know it was denatured? Because alcohol for antiseptic use is denatured so that people won't drink it.



http://www.chemcases.com/alcohol/alc-04.htm

I don't know why people want to remain ignorant on this point. Alcohol is gets into your pore and into the bloodstream very easily. It isn't the substance MOST able to permeate your skin (DMSO penetrates faster and deeper than alcohol), but it's one of the best.

Again, according to the Medical Safety Data Sheet on Isopropyl alcohol (the alcohol sometimes used in common rubbing, and often used in cosmetics and hair care products):



http://www.chess.cornell.edu/safety/manual/msds/srpylch.htm

That should end all argument on the topic, but it won't, of course.
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The two pharmacists and nurse that I called... and the nurse that sfiC called revealed that the silly notion that rubbing alcohol enters the bloodstream is false. Two state licensed people who have to know chemicals, and two Registered Nurses cannot possibly be wrong on this.

Of course, some will deny it even if every pharmacist, nurse, doctor, emergency worker in the country is called. Because some will not accept truth
 
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npetreley

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His Blood Spoke My Name said:
A certain somebody revealed his true colors by sending me a pm accusing me of being a self righteous pharisee.
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It sure wasn't me. I said almost as much right here in this thread, so there would be no point.
 
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npetreley

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His Blood Spoke My Name said:
The two pharmacists and nurse that I called... and the nurse that sfiC called revealed that the silly notion that rubbing alcohol enters the bloodstream is false. Two state licensed people who have to know chemicals, and two Registered Nurses cannot possibly be wrong on this.

Of course, some will deny it even if every pharmacist, nurse, doctor, emergency worker in the country is called. Because some will not accept truth
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I provided links to the results of research on the topic, even though it's common knowledge among most people that alcohol easily permeates the skin.

But how can we know if you called anyone at all? We can't. That's the most lame, cowardly defense one can imagine. "I called someone." Right, like you expect me to take your word for it. You also claim to go 24 hours without sinning, and claim to use a Greek New Testament even though your quotes are from Strongs.

I provided reputable links to the information. You can, too.. Provide us with links to reputable research that shows rubbing alcohol does not get absorbed into the skin. Otherwise I have to assume you called ignorant fools, or you're simply lying about calling people.
 
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His Blood Spoke My Name

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I am not self righteous, I am clothed in Christ's righteousness. Your accusations are unfounded.

You, and others claim I am self righteous because I abide by rules in the Bible? It is not I who is self righteous.
 
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Magnetic Poles

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His Blood Spoke My Name said:
Two state licensed people who have to know chemicals, and two Registered Nurses cannot possibly be wrong on this.
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And a whole team of scientists at NASA could not have possibly been wrong about launching Challenger. The best minds could not have been wrong to believe that the Wright Brothers could not build a heavier-than-air flying machine.

You place way too much stock in your logical fallacy of "Appeal to Authority"
 
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npetreley said:
Ah, so we're not just blasphemers, we're cults! Any other ways you want to pigeon hole us? Any other names you want to call us?
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I more or less expected that kind of response from someone here on the board, though I didn't accuse anyone of being in a cult. I was pointing out a principle of hermeneutics, but apparently you failed to see it, and like cult members who focus in one one word with one meaning could only see that one particular word "cult" and think it applied to you. But notice, that even in this post I still didn't call you a member of a cult if you read carefully. I believe you have tunnel vision syndrome. You see what you want to see and that is all.
I didn't call anyone a blasphemer. You can't even point to one place where I used the specific word "blasphemer" so I suggest that you retract your statement. False accusations are not permitted here.

And with that this thread has gone too far off base and for too long.
 
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