Is Drinking Wine Wrong??

[LeBuick]

having eyes to see, they see not; having ears to hear, they hear not

taken in their own deceit

You left off part of the verse;

and do ye not remember? 19 When I brake the five loaves among five thousand, how many baskets full of fragments took ye up? They say unto him, Twelve 20 And when the seven among four thousand, how many baskets full of fragments took ye up? And they said, Seven. 21 And he said unto them, How is it that ye do not understand?

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

Pr 23:31 Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright.
Pr 20:1 ¶ Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.

HP: Others may but I cannot.

 

[DeeJay]

Can't ya make up yer mind?

There are people who can not eat shellfish. That does not make shellfish a sin nor should everybody abstain. Normal avg. people will be fine with shellfish. My statements are consistant.

 

[DeeJay]

having eyes to see, they see not; having ears to hear, they hear not

taken in their own deceit

Again, you are extreamly arrogent, pridefull and selfrightous.

 

[Alcott]

If one's talk and actions do not line up with scripture, it is our responsibility to correct them using scripture.[/COLOR]quote]

Do your talk and actions line up with this scripture:

Give strong drink to him who is )perishing,
And wine to him whose life is bitter.
Let him drink and forget his poverty
And remember his trouble no more [Proverbs 31:6-7]

Or do you defy the Word of God here?

The Word of God tells us 'touch not, taste not, handle not.'

If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as,

"Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!" (which all refer to things destined to perish with use)--in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men? [Colossians 2:20-22]

having eyes to see, they see not; having ears to hear, they hear not
taken in their own deceit

You should know.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

There are people who can not eat shellfish. That does not make shellfish a sin nor should everybody abstain. Normal avg. people will be fine with shellfish. My statements are consistant.

And also wrong. God's people are not to have anything to do with that poison they call alcohol.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

Again, you are extreamly arrogent, pridefull and selfrightous.

My righteousness is found in Jesus Christ.


Where is yours found?

 

[DeeJay]

My righteousness is found in Jesus Christ.


Where is yours found?

Your arrogance is not.

Where is yours found?

It is because of the righteousness of Jesus that I will be judged by, as I have no righteousness of my own. However I dont need to act arrogent and pridefull. Refusing to listen to the view points of my brothers and sisters to make myself feel holyer then others. I acknowlege that I can learn and do not know it all. And lastly I do not insinuate that others are lost and ignorant because they hold a different view. Especaly if they are making a good case for their views.


I am done here, you obviously know everything there is to know.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

If one's talk and actions do not line up with scripture, it is our responsibility to correct them using scripture.[/color]quote]

Do your talk and actions line up with this scripture:

Give strong drink to him who is )perishing,
And wine to him whose life is bitter.
Let him drink and forget his poverty
And remember his trouble no more [Proverbs 31:6-7]

Or do you defy the Word of God here?

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If you have died with Christ to the elementary principles of the world, why, as if you were living in the world, do you submit yourself to decrees, such as,

"Do not handle, do not taste, do not touch!" (which all refer to things destined to perish with use)--in accordance with the commandments and teachings of men? [Colossians 2:20-22]

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You should know.

Give strong drink to him that is ready to perish. Are God's people ready to perish? They shouldn't be. Christ gave His life so that those who believe in Him should not perish. I guess those who advocate the strong drink do not place their faith in Christ to keep them from perishing.

Besides, how does that verse advocate one partaking of alcohol on a weekly or daily basis?

This verse was also written in a time when the medicines that we have today were not available to man. They used strong drink for the same cause we would use morphine or other pain killing drugs today. And whether you accept it or not, alcoholic beverages are no longer needed for that purpose today, so the true child of God should do as Solomon wrote, 'have nothing to do with it.'

 

[annsni]

Give strong drink to him that is ready to perish. Are God's people ready to perish? They shouldn't be. Christ gave His life so that those who believe in Him should not perish. I guess those who advocate the strong drink do not place their faith in Christ to keep them from perishing.

Besides, how does that verse advocate one partaking of alcohol on a weekly or daily basis?

But you can admit that Scripture - atleast in this one verse says it's OK to consume alcohol - basic fact. Right? If you look back at your posts, you've said:

"God's people are not to have anything to do with that poison they call alcohol."
"When a person erroneously teaches that it is ok to drink alcoholic beverages, I have every right to judge him according to the scriptures as a false teacher."
"He tells all to stay away from it."
"Alcohol kills." (I guess this verse says that it's OK to murder then.)
"The Word of God tells us 'touch not, taste not, handle not.'"

 

[Alcott]

Besides, how does that verse advocate one partaking of alcohol on a weekly or daily basis?

If one's life is bitter on a weekly or daily basis.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

annsni,

Don't try to twist my words. It is not ok for a christian to consume alcohol. not even using that verse.

 

[annsni]

annsni,

Don't try to twist my words. It is not ok for a christian to consume alcohol. not even using that verse.

Yet you say it is NEVER OK for a Christian to drink - and that Scripture says so but you agree that that particular verse says it's OK - atleast at that time - to give a person who was suffering strong drink. So that's a contradiction, IMO. I'm not even talking about the average person drinking. The Bible, atleast in that one verse, says it's OK to use strong drink and you have not denied it, yet you said that the Bible does not say to drink alcohol.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

If one's life is bitter on a weekly or daily basis.

Christ takes the bitterness away from those who rely on Him. No need for alcohol

 

[Joseph_Botwinick]

Your thoughts!!!! Some say its not and some say it is!!!! Whats you stand on this???

Sometimes yes...sometimes no. Depends on the situation.

Joseph Botwinick

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

His Blood Spoke My Name: Christ takes the bitterness away from those who rely on Him. No need for alcohol

HP: Well said. May it ever be so.

 

[gekko]

i have to laugh at these debates because they are all one-sided no matter how you look at it.

give it up people. drinking wine has nothing to do with righteousness, peace or joy.

dont try and confuse the two. so leave it alone.

bottom line: dont get drunk for those of you who drink. those of you who drink - dont advertise that you do.

those who dont drink - dont judge those who do drink - but judge rather the act of those who advertise that they do.

again - drinking wine has nothing to do with righteousness, peace or joy - has no hold on whether someone is saved or not.

so give it up - read romans 14 - examine yourself - quit justifying that you can "righteously judge" on a matter that has nothing to do with righteousness.

 

[Alcott]

Christ takes the bitterness away from those who rely on Him. No need for alcohol

That's a ridiculous, naive statement, clearly counter-evidenced by the tone of our own bitter posts here.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

The truth is a bitter pill Alcott. The true child of God is not to partake of alcohol.

 

[His Blood Spoke My Name]

As AF Guy pointed out earlier, one beer, one glass of wine, one shot of liquor can get you a DUI.

Alcohol is a poison. It destroys parts of the body. We are to take care of our bodies as they are the temple of the Holy Spirit if we are saved. To put the poison called alcohol into the body is not being a faithful steward of that which God has entrusted to you, and is therefore unrighteousness.